Re: Hooked 'X' Runes and where they have been found.

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:22:53 +0100, Peter Alaca
<p.alaca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> 12/02/2009 05:44 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:13:29 +0100, Peter Alaca
<p.alaca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

David B. <tronospamchos@xxxxxxxxx> 12/02/2009 00:58 wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:

The reported evidence is consistent with the roots having grown around
the KRS on three sides. It is not consistent with the roots being
wrapped around the tree and then put back in the ground. You need
pictures to fully understand this. Unfortunately I cannot find any on
the net.
http://tinyurl.com/cpmqq5 =
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2000.03.0048&layout=&loc=245

Now try to imagine those roots several decades younger and more flexible.

David B.
It is a Poplar (unspecified)

I think it was an Aspen. One of the family.

Unspecified.


Fast growing, and (very) young.

Not so fast growing in that climate,

What was wrong with the climate?
Kensington is in the normal range of several species
of aspen.

On second thoughts you might think there is nothing much wrong wit it
but by my standards it is harsh.

especiall if it has a lump of rock underneath it.

Looking at he roots it had no trouble growing.

Only someone's sketches of the roots.

The reports of those who examined the stump was that it was consistent
with an age of 40 or 50 years.

No, 10. It was only 4 inches thick.
40-50 years is very unlikely, ten much more likely.

"Note. Mr. Ohman and his boy said that the main root
went down the side instead of over the top."

I've stopped relying on my memory of what I read several years ago.
Here is an extract from the 'Preliminary Report to the Minnesota
Historical Society by the Museum Committee'. See the last sentence of
the quote.
(My OCR is responsible for the spelling :-)

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On bemg cut away the stump carrying the roots lay adjacent lor some
weeks and was seen and noted by several visitors. Estimates as to the
sue and »ge of the tree vary somewhat, some stating that it was at
least ten years old and others that it was from twenty to thirty years
old, and one estimating it as probably forty years old. According to
Mr. Sam Olson, of Kensington, this tree was about four or five inches
in diameter at about fifteen inches above the stone, and about ten
inches in diameter at six or eight inches sbove the stone. The roots
of the tree, especially the largest one which spread over the surface
of the stone, were flattened by contact with the stone during the
period of their growth. 'Die flattening of the roots is an important
feature, as it denotes that the tree had been in contact with the
stone during the whole time of the life of the tree.
In the spring subsequent to the finding of the stone Mr. Samuel Olson
and a party visited the place and made some excavations where the
stone was found, having the idea that tin: men wlio were massacred had
been buried there, and that the x'one was designed to mark their
burial place. He saw,, and ,-'11 his party saw, the stump of the tree
that grew on the stone. Tlie members of this party, besides Mr. Olson,
were the following: Clove Van Dyke, executive clerk to the late
Governor Johnson, then superintendent of schools of Douglas conrify;
J. P. Hcdborg, now at Warroad; John M. Olson, who furnished a team,
now at Alexandria; Albert Larson, now in Ciitmdn; John 70. Johnson, of
Kensington; Emil Johnson, now at Wat-road; Culick Landsvark, living
two miles east of Kensington; and Lars Goldberg, now at Bowbells, N.
D.
Mr. Samuel Olson and Mr. John E. Johnson signed a joint statement that
the tree must have been at least ten years old, and more likely twenty
or thirty years old. The rest of the party have not been consulted,*
but Mr. Joseph Hotvedt stated that he saw the roots and verified the
description of ihzir flatness, "such as would be caused by lying
against a stone."
Mr. Olson made a drawing to show the appearance of this stump when in
contact with the stone. He thinks the largest root ran over and across
the stone, but Mr. Olof Ohman was positive that the largest root ran
down into the ground at the edge of the stone, and that a smaller root
ran across the upper face of the stone. This smaller root lie thought
was about three inches in diameter.
For the purpose of ocular illustration Mr. Holand later procured on
the spot from Mr. Ohman four sections cut across some poplar trees
growing on Mr. Ohman's farm, viz., sections shown in Plates IV and V,
marked a, b, c, d. The certificates of Olof Ohman and of his son
Edward, as well as of Mr. Samuel Olson, are given also. The annual
rings of growth on these sections can be counted as follows: On a, 37
annual tings; on 6, 42 annual rings; on c, 38 annual rings; on d, 31
annual rings. From three to five years should be added for the decayed
centers.
According to Mr. Ohman the tree had the appearance and rough bark of a
stunted growth, illustrated by sections c and d, on which are about as
many growth rings as on the larger sections a and 6. If these sections
a and & fairly represent the size of the tree, and if it still had an
annual growth illustrated by c and d, which certainly were from
stunted trees, the age of the tree was probably nearer fifty years
than ten years.
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Eric Stevens
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