Re: Brew your own recession beer like the ancients

On May 8, 3:49 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On May 5, 5:58 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Tom McDonald wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Whiskers wrote:
On 2009-05-02, Matt Giwer <jul...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Whiskers wrote:
[...]
There are clearer images.  Such as
<http://www.mykonos-web.com/mykonos/images/amphora.jpg>
<http://www.bodrumpages.com/images/knidos_amphora120.jpg>
<http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/romans/economy/pictures/amphora1.jpg>
<http://www.mariner.org/educationalad/ageofex/images/amphora.jpg>
<http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/ceramics/pages/object.asp?obj_id=28378>
    Now that you mention it I have seen those. I have been
unconsciously writing it off as an artifact of the manufacturing
process.
How very modern of me.  That is the kind of mistake I try to avoid..
The pegs were sometimes made seperately and 'glued on' with clay
before baking - large amphorae were usually made in sections.
    The problem with "rolling on the peg" is that one complete
rotation means a forward motion of one full rotation is only the
circumference of the peg. Any rolling should be on the lower
circumference above the peg. Therefore, why the peg?
My understanding is that amphorae were rolled on their sides, not on
their bottoms. If an amphora needed to be rolled on its peg, I suspect
it would be for a very short distance, as for precise positioning in
on-shore storage.
However, the peg would serve to lessen the wear on the bottom of the
amphora, helping to protect the contents. Too, a peg could help
stabilize an amphora when stored on its end in sand or dirt; and might
serve as a built-in wear point to extend the working life of the amphora.
Just my $0.02 USD.
        I'll go with the stability in storage. There is only so much speculation
possible without getting a few and trying it.

        The extra length in the dirt or sand would make it harder to tip with very
little increase in weight.

        Maybe if we think of two people carrying each one, one grabs a handle and the
other the peg. And since they are slaves one grabs the handles of two of them
and the other grabs the pegs of two of them.
They used a pole to carry two.

        Thanks. Just speculating on what might be too obvious to see at first.
I am still reminded that half of the "tools" in milady's toilet from a couple
centuries ago and older are unidentifiable today. Or why did the aging Marlena
Dietrich have such sharp, gold straight pins always with her? In the days
before plastic surgery she "pinned" her forehead skin back under her hair to
get rid of wrinkles. Just thinking about it ... But certainly not a guess most
would make from less than half a century later.

        My can't see any reason it would be an artifact of manufacture. Whiskers says
some were added after manufacture so it was a desired feature. Yes, it will be
more stable in a hole in the dirt so a shallower hole for the bottom part can
be used. But simply putting a smaller one in a larger hole is already less
likely to tip over so there is no apparent one hole size fits all benefit.. If
storage were in wooden racks then hole in the bottom shelf and "keyhole" slot
in the top shelf would give a secure way to store with no risk of falling over.

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Fri May  8 03:30:58 EDT 2009

No wooden racks, as the article I keep citing says "there weren't any
flat floors in most places this stuff was handled." The bottom is not
shallow but built up to take the bangs and knocks of handling. It
makes its own hole in sand, the usual surface when unloading. This BC
not AD.
.

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