Re: Kerry on Bush Space Plan: At least he's in favor of Saving Hubble!

From: Jon Kickerston (none_at_nospam.com)
Date: 06/19/04 

Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:35:43 GMT

My arguments are over. It's obvious that no matter what I say, you're still
going to disagree and I have neither the time nor the desire to convince you
otherwise, even though I feel you're in the wrong by a large margin. So be
it. It's plain that we would never be sitting on a board together making
decisions, and then we wonder why very little progress is made in the
government these days. Good luck with your pursuits. And when the boat
sinks, I can't help but wonder whether or not you'll go down with it.

"JJK" <surpher@erols.com> wrote in message
news:40d3b4a9$0$2997$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
> "Jon Kickerston" wrote:
> > Stop what? If my so-called thoughts are "uncorrelated" as you say,
yours
> > must be pithless.
> >
> > > What fraction of the US population (~ 147 million US citizens work)
> "must"
> > > work 12 hours/day or be replaced? What is the source of your
> information?
> >
> > Now here's where you need to open your eyes. What is the length of the
> > standard working day in the US today? I can tell you sure haven't
worked
> > hard recently.
> >
> > > While the modern world may not be your idea of Utopia, IMHO, I'd
rather
> > live
> > > now with our wealth of accumulated scientific knowledge than during
any
> > time
> > > in the past.
> >
> > To what end? Ozone had been used in air conditioners for years so that
> > comfort wouldn't be an issue. The gas, found harmful to the ozone
layer,
> is
> > replaced but not before nearly irreparable damage is done and will
> continue
> > to be done for many years to come. All in the name of discovery.
That's
> > just one example; should I go through hundreds more? I know,
> > "uncorrelated", as you would call it. Laughable. Reminds me of someone
> who
> > said, "That depends on your meaning of the word 'of'".
>
>
> I meant that you should stop your nonsense. On the other hand, do whatever
> you please.
>
> You have not made a convincing argument against the pursuit of science.
Your
> ranting doesn't count in my book. Stating issues without connecting the
dots
> with a logical argument is simply your means of generating uncorrelated
> thoughts (that does not mean I believed or believe that your brain is
> scrambled).
>
> Does the article in that highly regarded newsrag USA Today state that
people
> MUST work 12 hours/day? If so, for what purpose? What is their standard of
> living (not what the people think it is, but what it actually is)?
>
> My eyes are wide open. Some folks are indeed destitute. That was always
true
> and I imagine that it will always be true, unfortunately. It is up to the
> more fortunate who care to minimize the suffering of those who can't help
> themselves. It is up to those who are able to help themselves as much as
> possible to do just that (and for society to give them a chance, I believe
> in the form of education).
>
> FWIW, I often work 12-14 hours a day. Not because I have to, but because I
> want to.
>
> That said, I have heard some folks gripe about their being poor, yet some
of
> them have a very nice car (and/or more than one per household), homes that
> are beyond satisfying basic needs, and/or enough money to pay for their
> kids' educations. When I was a kid, my folks' net worth hovered around
$10K
> (w/virtually no money in the bank). That meant I had to pay for my own
> education (and earn scholarships, as I'm sure many in this ng have done).
I
> have no regrets and never b*tched about it. I was very happy when we had
no
> spare change growing up. I was still happy when my wife and I made very
> little money in our late 20s. I'm pretty happy now that I make more
income.
>
> Your last paragraph shows again that your thoughts are uncorrelated. You
> imply that scientists discover things to intentionally wreak havoc on the
> planet. And no, please don't waste my time with hundreds of additional
> useless examples like the sinister ozone issue above.
>
> I'm not suggesting that everything's rosy or that we shouldn't consider
> changing our lifestyles. However, I don't believe it will do you any good
to
> build your soapbox on a sand foundation. Your arguments don't appear to
hold
> water. That doesn't mean they can't. You simply haven't provided enough
> information to make a compelling argument. Thus, your thoughts here are
> uncorrelated.
>
> Despite the fact that we do not live in a perfect world, I feel fortunate
to
> be alive today. I have had access to good higher education venues. This
> would never have been available 100 years ago to most folks in my
childhood
> socioeconomic status.
>
> Precisely what world would you have us live in? Pre-plague Europe? What
> knowledge and discoveries should we have avoided learning? Are you
> suggesting that we all line up for lobotomies in order to eliminate our
> curiosity? Jeez, I'll pass on that one!
>
>

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