Re: FATSO (was Re: when will Orion produce an ED100 apo?)

From: Guy Jordan (gjordan_at_mn.rr.com)
Date: 07/25/04 

Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:56:55 GMT

Don't quit the group Ryan. I "did Atkins" for 6 months and lost a lot of
weight but got self conscious, fell off the wagon (so to speak), and
gained most of it back. This is a personal failure, Atkins worked just
fine. Your tag line and comments are encouraging. You won't change
peoples minds any more easily than Dr. Atkins did but you do make a
difference.

For the rest of you, the medical industry is for profit, all their lobby
groups are for profit and the same goes for the food industry. Most of
the anti-Atkins rhetoric is funded by those groups. Follow the money and
you will find that there is little profit in curing chronic illness but
a lot of profit in its management.
-Guy

Ryan Walters wrote:

> "Stephen Paul" <spaul219@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:HOudnaFhyoMue5zcRVn-uw@net1plus.com...
>
>>"Ryan Walters" <weightlosssquared@nodiet.net> wrote in message
>>news:PX%Lc.8585$iK.2056@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>>> A low carb diet IS
>>>the way to eliminating the type II diabetes epidemic.
>>
>>Since this is a "science" group, a little research is on order before
>>rushing to judgement. A simple search on Type II Diabetes turned up this
>>quote from the ADA:
>>
>>"Meal planning includes choosing healthy foods, eating the right amount of
>>food, and eating meals at the right time. The American Diabetes
>
> Association
>
>>(ADA) currently recommends that 50% to 60% of a person's diet should come
>>from carbohydrates, 10% to 20% from lean sources of protein, and less than
>>30% from fats.
>
>
> This was obviously designed for a NORMAL person with a NORMAL metabolism.
> The idea of the "food pyramid" is definitely false for many individuals and
> I am proof. Read on....
>
>
>>The exact breakdown of these percentages is different for each individual.
>>The ADA no longer recommends a diet of 1,800 to 2,000 calories a day for
>
> all
>
>>patients.
>
>
> That's a little better. My current diet consists of about 1200 cal/ day to
> maintain my 200 lb weight. Quite different from the "recommendations" of
> 2,000 cal huh?
>
> A registered dietitian can be helpful in determining an
>
>>individual's specific dietary needs." [end quote]
>
>
> Well, if you want to truly spend the money, yes. Many of us don't have the
> funding.
>
>
>>Reference: http://health.yahoo.com/health/centers/diabetes/000313
>>
>>My own research and experience in weight loss indicate that monitoring
>
> your
>
>>existing food intake for one week is the way to measure the level of
>
> calorie
>
>>consumption necessary to maintain your existing body weight. Once this is
>
> a
>
>>known quantity, to "lose weight" you simply cut back on calorie intake.
>
> This
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>>doesn't have to be some high number. It just needs to be less. The lower
>
> the
>
>>calorie intake below your maintenance level, the higher the fat burning
>>rate. It's just that simple.
>
>
> Again, this may or may not be for a "normal" person. The idea of including
> refined starches/ sugars (and therefore high carbs), like we find in bread,
> many fruits, and especially candy bars and soda, is what's causing the type
> II diabetic problems we have now. The human body is accustomed to eating
> what it ate 1,000 years ago and before. There is a direct correlation
> between our fat problems and the onset of "junk" and "processed" foods.
>
> Want to burn excess fat? Eat less calories.
>
>>Want to burn it faster? Exercise. HOWEVER, please follow the
>
> recommendations
>
>>of the ADA so that you do not cause yourself, or others, any long term
>>health problems. in my case, I was able to go by "feel" because I am
>>genetically suited to this kind of experimentation (I have no family
>
> history
>
>>of diabetes or high cholesterol). When I wasn't feeling well, I would
>
> adjust
>
>>the balance of protiens, fats and carbs. As it turns out, my
>
> experimentation
>
>>satisfies the ADA's recommendation perfectly, but I'm obviously the norm.
>>Not everyone is.
>
>
> No, you're NOT the norm so keep that in mind before you bash. Traditional
> diets simply DID NOT work for me, I tried for many, many years. The trouble
> with keeping carbs higher in diets is that you NEVER get rid of sugar spikes
> in your system. Once the insulin clears these spikes, you end up hungry an
> hour after you eat and therefore eat again. Eating potatoes at dinner, or
> high carb veggies like corn can easily cause these spikes. The key is to
> reduce the carb intake. Atkins isn't about total elimination of carbs, nor
> taking on an excess of fatty foods. There are four phases to the program
> and most people look at the first phase and judge his entire system based on
> that. Once you reach the final phase, you are allowed limited carbs
> throughout your lifetime, but they are ingested in controlled,
> non-overloading amounts. It is in this way that weight is permanently contr
> olled because you no longer experience huger between meals. It has been the
> ONLY diet that has ever allowed me to keep my weight off, and that's with no
> exercise. Eating less and using the food pyramid didn't cut it because I
> still experienced hunger spikes.
>
> People always ask about cholesterol. Yes, it's true, during part or most of
> the first two phases, it rises. This is due to increased weight loss. The
> "fat" you're loosing does end up going through the bloodstream, but this is
> only temporary. Once you start reaching your goal weight and your keytones
> become less, cholesterol drops to usually much lower levels than before you
> started the diet. Now if you continue to eat low carb peanut butter, for
> example, that is processed with hydrogenated goodies, this will cause
> cholesterol to rise. I've even been caught off guard a few times with
> "hydrogenated", low carb candy. So, as the good doc himself says, avoid
> anything hydrogenated, low carb or not.
>
>
>>So, in conclusion, the scariest thing about your sig, is that it isn't
>
> true
>
>>for everyone, but it doesn't read that way. I sure hope you don't prevent
>>some person with diabetes from first seeking personal guidance from a
>
> health
>
>>professional.
>
>
> If a person ALREADY HAS type II diabetes, it is impossible to start the
> Atkins program from stage I. However, for pre-diabetics, and I don't think
> my quote is THAT hard to understand, the program is a strong possibility.
> And anyone who even thinks of starting the program almost HAS to either
> visit a doctor or read his book first to fully understand the program. His
> books clearly say to see a physician before beginning the program.
>
> When you make absolute claims, you almost always cause harm to
>
>>the weak minded and/or weak willed. In this case, you are possibly
>
> screwing
>
>>with another's health. Shame on you.
>
>
> Well, I see a LOT of quotes I see people using that I don't agree with
> either. Freedom of speech is what it's all about. With a simple click of
> the mouse, a person can easily turn someone off they don't agree with or end
> up in another part of cyberspace. I highly suggest that's what you do if
> you can't stand to read an "absolute claim", as you put it. However, with
> more and more people ending up with diabetes due to poor nutrition, I would
> think that you would want to help prevent future cases instead of promoting
> them. The government isn't always right you know. They've been pushing
> that food pyramid at us for years, only to find out now that it doesn't work
> for everybody and certainly hasn't for me. And then there is the cellphone/
> cancer relationship, but will save that for another time.
>
> In conclusion, I think it's time to leave this group, especially if people
> are going to knitpick everything I say. I am really surprised since this
> group is supposed to support astro discussion. However, unmoderated doesn't
> surprise me as I see anything going.
>
> So, I bid you all farewell.......
>
> -Ryan Walters
>
> (silent quote)
>
>
>
>>Stephen Paul
>>
>>
>
>
>

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