Re: FATSO (was Re: when will Orion produce an ED100 apo?)

From: Stephen Paul (spaul219_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 07/25/04 

Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:17:29 -0400

"Ryan Walters" <weightlosssquared@nodiet.net> wrote in message
news:30QMc.13761$f4.1302@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
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> "Jon Isaacs" <jonisaacs@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040725095321.25456.00002033@mb-m29.aol.com...

> > discuss diet, I have no problem with that but just do it somewhere that
is
> > appropriate.
>
> Hey, no problem, but it wasn't me who decided to complain about my subject
> line- it was Ratboy and, more gently, Stephen Paul. The former has been
> plonked and will be heard from no more; the latter I've kept since he
didn't
> let rudeness enter into his response. Of course, none of this would have
> occurred if people would have left it well enough alone. When folks
comment
> as they have, I am going to respond, astro ng or not.

Well, I am one who seems to have to repeatedly apologize for getting a
little whack, and taking OT stuff sometimes into the stratosphere once it
has been intiated. And I'm about to do it again.

Weight control/reduction just happens to be something that, while near to me
it is, dear to me it is not. I am a little sensitive to the "diet" mentality
and to people who preach (draw a line), since while the subject matter of
their preaching may be a working solution for some, and kudos to them for
finding a solution, the solution isn't necessarily "right" for everyone.
(You must not have little kids, or you have multple eating plans in your
home, or your kids have grown and moved on.)

Unfortunately I have learned first hand that those who are suffering from an
ailment of one sort of the other, are highly susceptible to trying anything
without first seeking medical, social or spiritual advice. I'm not saying
that advice is always well given. In fact my doctor is an ass when it comes
to my weight and build, and he has made a note of my sensitivity on the
issue in my medical record, so that he will stop pissing me off. It's my
problem. I will deal with it when I feel the time has come. If I never get a
feel for it, and I drop dead, then I drop dead on my own terms.

> Fast walking has worked better for me for years, but that still doesn't
mean
> a change of eating habits for most of us. Exercise alone just doesn't cut
> it.

It does for weight loss. Which is one of the reasons that I took issue with
your sig. You were really stating two different things, and indicating that
there is but one solution that resolves both problem. It really _isn't_ that
simple. Nothing ever is. For example, in my case, I like to eat. Nothing
will ever change that. The sooner I accept that, the sooner I will stop
denying truth. And denial is always a bad thing. You see, there's nothing
"wrong" with my "diet", as my blood tests and blood pressure tests always
prove, it's just that I eat too much, especially at the evening meal.

So, it comes to this. I need to push away from the table, get off my ass and
burn more calories than I consume. A habit of exercise is a whole hell of a
lot easier to develop, than a change in diet when there is nothing
inherently wrong with the diet. I have always eaten a healthful balance of
foods, but I have also always been physically lazy, or unwilling to sweat
for the sake of sweat. So I consume more than I burn, and I get fat.

Your beef is obviously with food, the food industry and the medical
industry. If you want to blame them for taking advantage of your previous
ignorance to what constitutes a healthful diet, and for making money at your
expense, that's understandable. But for some of us, the whole problem to our
poor health, is simply insuffucicient exercise, just as the ADA, and AMA
suggests.

I have just recently admitted this to myself in earnest. Rather than looking
for a solution at the dinner table, I have put in a walking path around the
perimeter of my two acre lot. A half hour every morning, with no change in
my maintenance calorie intake, and I will be losing at least a pound every
week. Pounds that don't come back in two weeks because I caved into old
eating habits, and fell off of a "diet". Excercise increases motabolism.
Diets used for weight control, are for people who don't want to exercise.
That's why the don't work for the majority of the obese. Now, it you want to
present the Atkins diet as a diet that reduces the risk of Type II Diabetes,
with weight loss as a side effect, then you are onto something.

So, here's my suggestion. Change your sig to say, "The Atkins diet reduces
both excess body fat, and the risk of Type II Diabetes". It is a simple
claim, and one that is not absolute and exclusive. Certainly there are other
solutions to these problems. Your indication otherwise is what set us off on
the wrong foot.

Now I'm done, and with apologies to all for the OT diatribe.

-Stephen Paul

PS. Take rat off your "plonk" list. It is true that sometimes he's an ass,
but to his credit, he's nowhere close to being in denial about it. <g>

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