Re: FATSO (was Re: when will Orion produce an ED100 apo?)

From: Ryan Walters (weightlosssquared_at_nodiet.net)
Date: 07/25/04 

Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:09:14 GMT

"Stephen Paul" <spaul219@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Ryan Walters" <weightlosssquared@nodiet.net> wrote in message
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> > "Jon Isaacs" <jonisaacs@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > > discuss diet, I have no problem with that but just do it somewhere
that
> is
> > > appropriate.
> >
> > Hey, no problem, but it wasn't me who decided to complain about my
subject
> > line- it was Ratboy and, more gently, Stephen Paul. The former has been
> > plonked and will be heard from no more; the latter I've kept since he
> didn't
> > let rudeness enter into his response. Of course, none of this would
have
> > occurred if people would have left it well enough alone. When folks
> comment
> > as they have, I am going to respond, astro ng or not.
>
> Well, I am one who seems to have to repeatedly apologize for getting a
> little whack, and taking OT stuff sometimes into the stratosphere once it
> has been intiated. And I'm about to do it again.

Stephen, I wouldn't apologize too hard because I see this OT stuff all the
time! Now that doesn't necessarily make it right, but the fact remains that
it's out there in great amounts.

> Weight control/reduction just happens to be something that, while near to
me
> it is, dear to me it is not. I am a little sensitive to the "diet"
mentality
> and to people who preach (draw a line), since while the subject matter of
> their preaching may be a working solution for some, and kudos to them for
> finding a solution, the solution isn't necessarily "right" for everyone.
> (You must not have little kids, or you have multple eating plans in your
> home, or your kids have grown and moved on.)

Good prediction, I don't. Otherwise, Atkins probably would have gone out
the window long ago.

> Unfortunately I have learned first hand that those who are suffering from
an
> ailment of one sort of the other, are highly susceptible to trying
anything
> without first seeking medical, social or spiritual advice. I'm not saying
> that advice is always well given.

True. In fact, my former doctor was totally against Atkins and I mean
totally. He claimed cholesterol increases, vitamin deficiencies, etc. I
switched doctors, had all the necessary tests before, during and now on a
bi-yearly basis. None of what the first doc predicted occurred except for a
slight increase in cholesterol during the first year. Once the keytones
were out of the urine for six weeks, indicating no further weight loss,
cholesterol dropped to below normal levels. A cholesterol increase while on
the first and second stages of Atkins is normal. However, as you pointed
out, what I did wouldn't work for everyone. A neighbor is on Lipitor
because her cholesterol never went down. I think this is more genetic in
her case though than anything else and that's what her doc says too.

 In fact my doctor is an ass when it comes
> to my weight and build, and he has made a note of my sensitivity on the
> issue in my medical record, so that he will stop pissing me off. It's my
> problem. I will deal with it when I feel the time has come. If I never get
a
> feel for it, and I drop dead, then I drop dead on my own terms.

The standard weight/ height/ build charts don't work for me either and
never have. Although I'm currently "thin" right now at a weight of 200 lbs,
their charts say I should weigh no more than 188. Well, I have been at 188
and I look like a walking skeleton.

> > Fast walking has worked better for me for years, but that still doesn't
> mean
> > a change of eating habits for most of us. Exercise alone just doesn't
cut
> > it.
>
> It does for weight loss.

I probably should have refined this statement a bit. See, before I ever
heard of Atkins (three years previous), I lost weight through intense
aerobics. I then got a different job, where I couldn't exercise easily on a
regular basis, and I gained all of my weight back. The reason was because I
didn't change my eating habits at all. So, although the exercise caused me
to loose massive amounts of weight, it was really an illusion because I
didn't change my eating. This time I don't have to kill myself walking, and
I continue to keep the weight off because of my modified eating. I can even
get away with an occassional baked potato because my body is now accustomed
to burning starch instead of storing it.

> Which is one of the reasons that I took issue with
> your sig. You were really stating two different things, and indicating
that
> there is but one solution that resolves both problem. It really _isn't_
that
> simple. Nothing ever is. For example, in my case, I like to eat. Nothing
> will ever change that. The sooner I accept that, the sooner I will stop
> denying truth. And denial is always a bad thing. You see, there's nothing
> "wrong" with my "diet", as my blood tests and blood pressure tests always
> prove, it's just that I eat too much, especially at the evening meal.
>
> So, it comes to this. I need to push away from the table, get off my ass
and
> burn more calories than I consume. A habit of exercise is a whole hell of
a
> lot easier to develop, than a change in diet when there is nothing
> inherently wrong with the diet. I have always eaten a healthful balance of
> foods, but I have also always been physically lazy, or unwilling to sweat
> for the sake of sweat. So I consume more than I burn, and I get fat.

Dr. Atkins himself recommended at least a brief 30 minute walk, 5x a week.
This is what I do now and it helps greatly, but when I lost the first 98
pounds I didn't exercise hardly at all. Low carbs stopped the between meal
cravings I used to experience, but it is still possible to gain weight even
on this diet if one doesn't watch calorie intake because calories are
calories.

> Your beef is obviously with food, the food industry and the medical
> industry. If you want to blame them for taking advantage of your previous
> ignorance to what constitutes a healthful diet, and for making money at
your
> expense, that's understandable. But for some of us, the whole problem to
our
> poor health, is simply insuffucicient exercise, just as the ADA, and AMA
> suggests.

A big part of it is lack of exercise, yes. However, when people aren't
getting enough and they know this, they need to take a second look at their
recommendations and revise them into a healthful, beneficial way to stay at
ideal weights. The Atkins plan is beautiful in this respect. He saw the
way years ago, but traditional thinking just hasn't caught up yet. Ok, so
it doesn't work for everybody, but with the amount of obesity I see in our
youth especially, neither are current recommended standard diets
.
> I have just recently admitted this to myself in earnest. Rather than
looking
> for a solution at the dinner table, I have put in a walking path around
the
> perimeter of my two acre lot. A half hour every morning, with no change in
> my maintenance calorie intake, and I will be losing at least a pound every
> week. Pounds that don't come back in two weeks because I caved into old
> eating habits, and fell off of a "diet". Excercise increases motabolism.
> Diets used for weight control, are for people who don't want to exercise.
> That's why the don't work for the majority of the obese. Now, it you want
to
> present the Atkins diet as a diet that reduces the risk of Type II
Diabetes,
> with weight loss as a side effect, then you are onto something.

Atkins is meant as a lifetime change of eating and it really isn't a diet in
the traditional sense. Actually, thinking of it as a diet often leads to
failure because people get psyched into that thinking and end up ravenous
when after dinner desert appears before them. I wasn't hungry on Atkins
hardly at all and after sugars/starches were purged from my system, I would
sometimes forget to eat. I knew I was on to something because all the
normal, low fat diets from the past would leave me starving between meals.
Spaghetti was, without a doubt, my favorite meal before Atkins. Well, two
weeks into the program, on the strict low carb phase, I was out with friends
for dinner where spaghetti was served as the main course. For the first
time in my life, I ate meatballs only and had no desire to eat the
spaghetti. At that point, I knew this was the plan for me. So, I like to
think of the Atkins plan as a "substitution diet" because you're basically
replacing one type of food (starch/ sugar/ carb) with another (fat and
protein), eating a sufficient number of daily calories, and keeping the
weight off because body fat is being burned in a natural way. Best of all,
you're not starving to death. Yes, I acknowledge that it won't work for
everyone and anyone even thinking of going on the plan must see their doctor
first.

> So, here's my suggestion. Change your sig to say, "The Atkins diet reduces
> both excess body fat, and the risk of Type II Diabetes". It is a simple
> claim, and one that is not absolute and exclusive. Certainly there are
other
> solutions to these problems. Your indication otherwise is what set us off
on
> the wrong foot.

I've changed the subject line to a factual statement with hopefully no
hidden meanings.

> Now I'm done, and with apologies to all for the OT diatribe.
>
> -Stephen Paul
>
> PS. Take rat off your "plonk" list. It is true that sometimes he's an ass,
> but to his credit, he's nowhere close to being in denial about it. <g>

At your request, he's removed.

-Ryan Walters
I lost 127 pounds on the Atkins diet.

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