Re: The Ranger and the Pronto Are No More
From: Bill Meyers (wiiliam.meyers_at_uc.edu)
Date: 08/13/04
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:49:45 -0400
Yuri wrote:
> "Stephen Paul" <spaul219@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<cfaq1j$1a7$1@transfer.stratus.com>...
>
>>"Mike Fitterman" <cutshot@charter.net> wrote in message
>>news:y11Sc.3858$BS3.5@trndny04...
>>
>>
>>>but not from TEC
>>
>>Not without a 100% guarantee against any defective components affecting its
>>performance. That 140 we looked through was a dog, but the benefit of the
>>doubt would dictate that it was collimation error; diagonal or otherwise.
>>Clearly others find the TEC140 to be a superb scope so that sample is
>>probably far from typical.
>>
>>Too bad we didn't get enough time to work with it unfettered by the owner.
>>Being someone else's scope with whom we are not regularly associated, it's
>>kind of tough to tell them that there's something wrong with it. You'd
>>figure someone plunking down that kind of cash wouldn't have to be told.
>>
>>Stephen
>
>
> The sample was typical, Stephen. Otherwise owner would contact us,..
> here what is written in the end of manuals for that particular scope
> model:
> "If you find any problems, or have any comments - please call us for
> assistance. Telescope Engineering Company is serving customers after
> sale for unlimited time.
> Yuri Petrunin, TEC President. "
> So I am behind the product that we are making.
> Are you Mike Fitterman, and you Stephen Paul behind your words or
> whatever stuff came from you mouths?
> What makes your judgment: "That 140 we looked through was a dog" after
> short look through it?
> You wrote "Too bad we didn't get enough time to work with it
> unfettered by the owner. Being someone else's scope with whom we are
> not regularly associated, it's kind of tough to tell them that there's
> something wrong with it."
> - Sounds like you do not remember neither the name, or scope's serial
> number (could be not easy to see in the darkness), are you sure that
> it was not the other brand that you are ass-ociating more frequently
> or the scope was not long enough? BTW, who was the third person, are
> his initials DMS? I do not know if you both + one are aware, but the
> "dog vision" is common among idiots and usually caused not by
> telescope, but your faces reflections (dog-like) from one of the
> eyepiece curved surface?
>
> I know that you Mike Fitterman can not afford high-tech scope, but if
> you have $30-$40 - buy the Suiter's book and read it, here is a bit
> info in case if you can not afford it too:
> Page 273 of the Suiter's book , chapter: Testing other telescopes
> "... Keep the test results to yourself, though. Considerations of
> courtesy aside such opinions could be wrong. You generally know
> nothing of the history of the instrument. You do not know if it is
> cool or warm. You have not had a chance to align it first, so you need
> to mentally subtract a significant alignment error from the pattern.
> Furthermore, one-shot tests are anecdotic and do not allow for
> follow-up testing..."
>
> I would just add that APO140 has no any collimating screws, and being
> so it has no ability to be miscollimate... you have to brake it to
> make it miscolimated.
>
> Back to Mike F...man, you wrote:
> "You guys get so touchy up here it's amazing. But hey, you don't want
> a great scope at a decent price that's not my problem. You can afford
> an 8" refractor, I cannot. Would I own an 8" refractor if I could?
> Definitely, but not from TEC though ;-) "
> What I am reading between lines is, you love the brand(!), but your
> love is hidden being not affordable and as we all know hidden love may
> cause opposite feelings - hate.
> Same with you Stephen Paul, you have joined the Tec-scope group about
> an year ago, was this right after short introduction with APO140? It
> is also a bit strange, but you did registration under two names, one,
> if I am not mistaken was "conushead14" or similar. So, question to
> you: being disappointed with view through the scope, what made you to
> join and be on the group? Sorry to say, both of your names were banned
> from the group yesterday, but you still can enjoy reading posts since
> we are an open group.
>
> For Bill:
> Not as a rule, but counting the nature of the human, you should
> remember, that not all people will share with you your excitement of
> the scope that you have not received yet, there will be enough
> F...man, Coneheads or others around that will have opposite reaction
> for understandable reasons. Ignoring this may cause nervous strain and
> long threads here on saa.
>
> Best regards to all of you.
> Yuri
Hello, Yuri,
I feel your pain. There is no doubt that new and original designs can
pose a threat to TEC refractors.
For examples, there are telescopes I have designed. My Vortexscope with
its 36 inch cooling fan (which cools the heck out of the 4 inch
mirror), will blow away a TEC scope.
My Nascarscope, I store in my garage, and wheel it out on a cart for
use. I have motorized the cart, and this scope will certainly run rings
around a TEC.
I am also working on a radical new design, the Dynamite, which will
leave competing scopes in the dust.
Borg scopes are also a competitive threat. Borg refractors are
exceptionally light weight, and their new Zeppelin model, is actually
lighter than air. It is expected to rise to heights that TEC can only
dream of.
clear skies to you,
Bill Meyers
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