Re: Registered Republican Voters . . .

From: Tom McDonald (tmcdonald2672_at_nohormelcharter.net)
Date: 10/23/04 

Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:56:36 -0500

Morituri-Max wrote:
> ed4linda wrote:
>
>> Notice any Pattern below Mr. Unknown name?
>
>
>> * Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
>> received #311.
>
>
> Yeah I noticed one.. your democratic roots are showing... are they
> blonde? Noticed you didn't say that Bill Clinton actually *dodged* the
> draft.. instead you call it something cute like "deferment." So this
> makes the rest of your post suspect.

        But you, for whatever reason, don't expend any energy to test
the statements. For the people on the list of whom I know
something, the information is correct. You wish to call Bill
Clinton's not serving due to deferments "dodg[ing]"; so you must
also think *** Cheney and John Ashcroft were draft dodgers. Or
are your blond Publican roots showing?

        Or so you reserve this innuendo only for liberals?

> Bias is such a terrible thing..

        Couldn't agree more.

> if Bush had really wanted to dodge the military he could have easily
> used all that power you say people wielded on his behalf and avoided any
> service of *any* kind..

        If he wanted to serve with honor, he would have joined the
regular Air Force, or would have actually done the service he
agreed to do. You do recall that Guard units were seldom used
in Viet Nam, and service in the Guard was seen by my (and
Bush's) generation as just a little less obvious a way of
staying out of combat than going to Canada?

>
> Also, when is the last time you piloted the kind of jets Bush flew in..
> let me know when you do how safe it is to fly them.

        They are much safer to fly when no one is shooting at you, and
when you fail to go to the physical that would clear you for
more flying. Or do you think he was zooming around the skies of
Alabama, protecting us from...Mississippi?

I noticed with all
> this emphasis you place on Kerrys combat record and how much he risked
> his life you don't mention that he did so for as short a time as
> possible.. 3 1/2 to 4 months of combat

        3 1/2 to 4 months more than Bush and company spent on the sharp
end.

(driving up and down the river in
> a big well armed boat

        Made out of aluminum so thin that a .22 could punch through it
(and how many .22s were the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese using
on the rivers?).

occasionally shooting kids in the back and burning
> down villages full of dangerous unarmed vietnamese civilians)

        And being shot at by anyone with a rifle on the jungle shore.

is not
> nearly as risky as the time Bush spent in a cockpit of a combat jet...

        Is that why Bush spent as little time as possible in said
cockpit?

> in point of fact anyone in the military piloting any kind of aircraft
> put their lives more at risk than Kerry

        As did their passengers, back-seaters, etc. And pretty much
everyone who served in Viet Nam rode an aircraft of some kind
while in-country, or coming and going. And in training. Did
Kerry swim to the Nam? Or did he also share in that dangerous
flying stuff?

        And, of course, flying is much safer when you make damn sure no
one will ever shoot at you. As they did Kerry.

who liked gathering up purple
> hearts for minor wounds..

        Purple Hearts are Purple Hearts. Lots of folks got them for
dings and cuts. If you don't like the criteria by which they
are awarded, complain to the brass. I'm sure you could get
Rumsfeld (who was a brave flight instructor during peace time)
to change the rules retroactively. But that'll affect lots of
others who served heroically, so maybe that wouldn't help you in
the long run.

> And as gung ho as kerry likes to claim he was, including all the trouble
> he went to to get sent into combat on the swift boats, he sure did get
> clear as fast as he could..

        Legitimately. He didn't go AWOL, or just fade into the
woodwork, or blow off training.

I guess he really didn't care that much
> about his crewmembers since they got to stay in combat while he took the
> optional out with his 3 hearts..

        Yet they seem to think well of him to this day. Were you there
to ask them how they felt?

so long guys, screw you, I'm out to a
> nice cushy desk job..

        To which he showed up.

>
> ..speaking of which, what military experience do you have? and as for
> mine, I have 10 years in the Air Force including the 1st Gulf War.
>

        I honor your service. Doesn't give you special rights to smear
the service of another serviceman. Or is your experience only
with heroes who only ever do the right thing in _your_ mind? If
so, you need to get a reality check. 

-- 
Tom McDonald
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