Re: Starmapping software


"oriel36" <geraldkelleher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"oriel36" <geraldkelleher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Good of you to be so fast as to pick up on my typo,I withdrew the post
once I spotted it and replaced it with a more accurate version.

If your only achievement is to spot the typo then good for you but the
substance of the Copernican heliocentric reasoning remains unaltered -

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

Against the stellar background the motion of the planets appear to move
forward ,stop,go backwards (retrograde) and then move forward again but
from an orbitally moving Earth planetary motions are seen to move
directly around the Sun.

The false and destructive Newtonian view -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct.." Newton

I have yet to see another participant to affirm that planetary motions
are seen directly from Earth even with the time lapse footage before
them.


You still haven't explained why Newton's statement is incorrect. I read
his
statement as equivalent to yours. If it is not the same, you need to
explain
why

[Oriel36]
Against the stellar background the motion of the planets appear to move
forward ,stop,go backwards (retrograde) and then move forward again

[Newton]
For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde.

No difference there.

Finish it off - From an orbitally moving Earth the motions of the
planets around the Sun are seen direct .

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

Nope, not seen direct.

Seen from an orbitally moving Earth,the observed motions of the outer
planets around the Sun can be easily understood.Isolating the orbital
motion of the Earth by using orbital comparisons leads to isolating
axial rotation as a means to explain the daily cycle .

The key words are 'understood' and 'isolating' - The 'observed motions'
(i.e - first direct, then retrograde, then direct) need to be interpreted
before they can be understood. as the projection onto the celestial sphere
of the combined motions of the Earth and respectivr planets around the Sun.

Try explaining axial rotation and orbital motion using the Newtonian
view and you lose the entire heliocentric working principles which
split axial and orbital motions -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct.." Newton

Yes, that's how they appear from Earth - and the appearance needs to be
interpreted .

When he made that switch in the matter of what retorgrades are and how
they are resolved,the entire heliocentric system and the careful
reasoning which brought it about ,collapsed temporarily.You cannot make
a mistake like that and not expect catastrophic consequences and this
is exactly the situation.


What do you mean by 'When he made _that_ switch. . . ' - what switch is
that?


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