Re: Starmapping software


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Good of you to be so fast as to pick up on my typo,I withdrew the post
once I spotted it and replaced it with a more accurate version.

If your only achievement is to spot the typo then good for you but the
substance of the Copernican heliocentric reasoning remains unaltered -

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

Against the stellar background the motion of the planets appear to move
forward ,stop,go backwards (retrograde) and then move forward again but
from an orbitally moving Earth planetary motions are seen to move
directly around the Sun.

The false and destructive Newtonian view -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct.." Newton

I have yet to see another participant to affirm that planetary motions
are seen directly from Earth even with the time lapse footage before
them.


You still haven't explained why Newton's statement is incorrect. I read
his
statement as equivalent to yours. If it is not the same, you need to
explain
why

[Oriel36]
Against the stellar background the motion of the planets appear to move
forward ,stop,go backwards (retrograde) and then move forward again

[Newton]
For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde.

No difference there.

Finish it off - From an orbitally moving Earth the motions of the
planets around the Sun are seen direct .

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

Nope, not seen direct.


Hey,you are not arguing against me,you are arguing against observations
which dictate that planetary motions around the Sun are seen from an
orbitally moving Earth.I would love to say that it is immediately
apparent to everyone from the time lapse footage and from the
explanation given by Copernicus but these are very unusual times.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif





Seen from an orbitally moving Earth,the observed motions of the outer
planets around the Sun can be easily understood.Isolating the orbital
motion of the Earth by using orbital comparisons leads to isolating
axial rotation as a means to explain the daily cycle .

The key words are 'understood' and 'isolating' - The 'observed motions'
(i.e - first direct, then retrograde, then direct) need to be interpreted
before they can be understood. as the projection onto the celestial sphere
of the combined motions of the Earth and respectivr planets around the Sun.


There are no words necessary,the plotted motions of the planets against
the same stellar background were the same for Ptolemaic astronomers as
they were for the heliocentric astronomers -

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/jupsatloop_tezel.jpg

The conclusions of what those plotted positions meant relied on either
persiodic spiralling motions seen from a stationary Earth (Ptolemy) or
heliocentric motion seen from an orbitally moving Earth (Copernicus).

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif




Try explaining axial rotation and orbital motion using the Newtonian
view and you lose the entire heliocentric working principles which
split axial and orbital motions -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct.." Newton

Yes, that's how they appear from Earth - and the appearance needs to be
interpreted .


How many polished reputations are based on the catastrophic Newtonian
switch.How many people here behave like Newton and invent whatever
story they need despite having the original words of the great
astronomers before them and especially having modern imaging.





When he made that switch in the matter of what retorgrades are and how
they are resolved,the entire heliocentric system and the careful
reasoning which brought it about ,collapsed temporarily.You cannot make
a mistake like that and not expect catastrophic consequences and this
is exactly the situation.


What do you mean by 'When he made _that_ switch. . . ' - what switch is
that?

The switch Newton made was not just in resolving retrogrades by
jumping to the Sun but in what apparent retrogrades are.By resolving
retrogrades, or the plotted positions of the planets against the
stellar background, from an orbitally moving Earth,,an observer gets to
see orbital motion in isolation and treat axial rotation as an
independent motion which causes the daily cycle.

Astronomy could not suffer an error like Newton's without serious
consequences hence the dismal situation today.It may be that the
indoctrination is so severe that not even the image which represent
what retrogrades are and its translation into time lapse footage of
Jupiter and Saturn demonstrating that the heliocentric motions of the
planets are indeed seen from Earth,an orbitally moving Earth is the
only way to consider retorgrades and their resolution.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/jupsatloop_tezel.jpg

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

The words courage,bravery and all those things which make existence
worthwhile seldom enter into a discussion here but these traits are
required to remove the rubbish which hijacked the great Western
astronomical insights.You said you are a teacher,well if you are,your
duty lies in teaching children what is the correct way to look out on
the celestial arena and present how the great astronomical cycles which
make existence possible was developed by great men using careful
observations and sparkling reasoning.

For yourself,you can keep the Newtonian mutation for the junk that it
is -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct.." Newton

I now detest presenting the original texts of Copernicus,Kepler and
Galileo in support of the view that heliocentric motion is seen
directly from Earth without any indication that participants here
comprehend the difference and why it is important to keep axial and
orbital motions seperate through the original Copernican reasoning in
resolving the observed motion of the planets.

They say a drop of wine in sewage is sewage and a drop of sewage in
wine is still sewage,in this case,the catastrophic Newtonian error into
the exquisite reasoning of my astronomical ancestors is and always will
be repulsive.As it is a shared astronomical heritage it is entirely up
to others to restore the heliocentric heritage using modern imaging
tools.

.

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