Re: NYTimes story about light pollution in the city


WTF wrote:
Rick Evans wrote:

"Dennis Woos" <dpwoos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/17/nyregion/thecity/17ligh.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

<Quote>With a jaundiced eye, she gazed at the small park across the
street from the restaurant. "I mean, imagine what they'd make of
that in Paris," Ms. Harder said. "But here some lighting designer just
dropped down a few standard unshielded high-pressure sodium lights,
and the result is a mess. A total mess."
</quote>

The "city of lights" is hardly the best example to cite.
In the early '70s a French grad school mate complained
to me she was stopped by NYPD for driving without headlights
but with parking lights. Seems Paris is so over-illuminated
at night it's accepted and legal drive around without
headlights.

If it can be fixed there, it can be fixed anywhere.


Also, what's been fixed? From the article there is more
bad lighting in the Big Apple than ever. I notice it when
I visit.

<quote>
It seems like everything we do is fear-based," she said. "Look, I don't want
to switch off all the lights - this is New York City - but I am against
excessive and wasteful lighting. You could cut back those wattages by 50
percent and it wouldn't make a difference."
</quote>

But of course Ms. Harder can't be accused of fear mongering when she cites:
<quote>She eagerly spouts statistics on subjects like a possible link
between prolonged exposure to artificial light at night and breast cancer
(the correlation exists, she says, citing a 2005 article in the journal
Cancer Research) </quote>

Perhaps better examples would be how unshielded glary lights affects older
people with cateracts or how glary lights negatively affects driving safety.

Nonetheless, I wish her success with Albany.

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If you judge light pollution on a per-capita basis, NYC and LA
etc are not the worst by a long shot! There are small towns in the Midwest with
everything but the cat lit up and they may only lack
a recent charged by the owners.

These small towns pride themselves on massive hi lumin lighting
and will defend it by citing every reason including the Bible.
Their mall-commerce depends on it and they want to be seen
from 40 miles away.

A car dealer in Mt Vernon Iowa just across the River from Pal-
Dows Observatory, where a club is building a brand new EIOLC with a 24" Boller
Chivens! and a robotic Meade 16", depends
on people seeing his lot from as far away as possible. He isnt
about to lower his lights, but only increase them. He already
lights up the whole nor-eastern section of the sky as seen from
Dows.

The urban centers have nothing on areas of the Midwest. The
Midwest wants to be just like they are! They are the models
to emulate, aren't they?

lm

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<p>Rick Evans wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>"Dennis Woos" &lt;dpwoos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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<br>> <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/17/nyregion/thecity/17ligh.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1";>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/17/nyregion/thecity/17ligh.html?pagewanted=1&amp;_r=1</a>
<br>>
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;Quote>With a jaundiced eye, she gazed at the
small park across the
<br>street from the restaurant. "I mean, imagine what&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
they'd&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; make of
<br>that in Paris," Ms. Harder said. "But here some lighting designer just
<br>dropped down a few standard&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; unshielded&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
high-pressure sodium lights,
<br>and the result is a mess. A total mess."
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/quote>
<p>The "city of lights" is hardly the best example to cite.
<br>In the early '70s a French grad school mate complained
<br>to me she was stopped by NYPD for driving without headlights
<br>but with parking lights. Seems Paris is so over-illuminated
<br>at night it's accepted and legal drive around without
<br>headlights.
<p>> If it can be fixed there, it can be fixed anywhere.
<br>>
<p>Also, what's been fixed? From the article there is more
<br>bad lighting in the Big Apple than ever. I notice it when
<br>I visit.
<p>&lt;quote>
<br>It seems like everything we do is fear-based," she said. "Look, I don't
want
<br>to switch off all the lights - this is New York City - but I am against
<br>excessive and wasteful lighting. You could cut back those wattages
by 50
<br>percent and it wouldn't make a difference."
<br>&lt;/quote>
<p>But of course Ms. Harder can't be accused of fear mongering when she
cites:
<br>&lt;quote>She eagerly spouts statistics on subjects like a possible
link
<br>between prolonged exposure to artificial light at night and breast
cancer
<br>(the correlation exists, she says, citing a 2005 article in the journal
<br>Cancer Research) &lt;/quote>
<p>Perhaps better examples would be how unshielded glary lights affects
older
<br>people with cateracts or how glary lights negatively affects driving
safety.
<p>Nonetheless, I wish her success with Albany.
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If you judge light pollution on a per-capita basis, NYC and LA
<br>etc are not the worst by a long shot! There are small towns in the
Midwest with everything but the cat lit up and they may only lack
<br>a recent charged by the owners.
<p>These small towns pride themselves on massive hi lumin lighting
<br>and will defend it by citing every reason including the Bible.
<br>Their mall-commerce depends on it and they want to be seen
<br>from 40 miles away.
<p>A car dealer in Mt Vernon Iowa just across the River from Pal-
<br>Dows Observatory, where a club is building a brand new EIOLC with a
24" Boller Chivens! and a robotic Meade 16",&nbsp; depends
<br>on people seeing his lot from as far away as possible. He isnt
<br>about to lower his lights, but only increase them. He already
<br>lights up the whole nor-eastern section of the sky as seen from
<br>Dows.
<p>The urban centers have nothing on areas of the Midwest. The
<br>Midwest wants to be just like they are! They are the models
<br>to emulate, aren't they?
<p>lm</html>

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