Re: Universes, was Re: Venus- why not a good planet to view?

On 2007-05-15, Bullseye <bulls@xxxxxx> wrote:

Now I don't care how much science anyone on this earth thinks they
know, no one can prove or disprove the existence of a deity. Not yet
anyway. And they may never because science requires material proof or
very plausible theories to be accepted. A creator or creator "force"
might prove beyond the ability of science to find it. The proof could
be in another dimension which we can't access, if other dimensions
actually were to exist. A "creator" might have chosen to place itself
beyond the ability of science to reach it also.

There isn't really anything there that is too controversial, but
it isn't science. Nor is it really religion. When it comes down
to the bare essentials of "Why am I here?" or "Why is there something
instead of nothing?" it becomes a matter of philosophy. IMHO that's
a much undervalued discipline (in its own right rather than as an
offshoot of faith) but it doesn't really belong in a sci.* group,
where hypotheses must be testable. No tests = not science. There
are scientific arguments against the existence of God (which I
deliberately am not bringing up as it's OT) but these will never
be proof to those who accept their faith as axiomatic.

Science can also be silly sometimes. They explain certain occurences
on earth as "nature" or "mother nature", but using nature as a noun is
not scientific since scientists in no shape or form have ever detected
what specifically and literally "nature" is. Scientists can be
arrogant in the ways they seem to think they can explain everything.

This is actually science in action: Saying we just don't know
about that and maybe we should find out is at the very heart of
the discipline. Science, unlike faith, owes its very existence to
the fact that we _don't_ have all the answers.

--
Andrew Smallshaw
andrews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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