Re: Universes, was Re: Venus- why not a good planet to view?

On Wed, 16 May 2007 11:30:38 -0700 (PDT), brian@xxxxxxx (Brian Tung)
wrote:

Bullseye wrote:
I'm not talking about religions, I'm talking about the notion that
there isn't some sort of creator or force that created the universe,
universes, or dimensions, and other things we still may not have
imagined. Even scientists must have a hard time believing all their
scientific objects and forces just came out of the blue.

Not all of them, and even for those who do, that disbelief is not in the
purview of science; it is in the non-scientific part of the scientists.


Of course since there is no proof in the scientific world yet. But
they look at the universe without scientific proof on their mind and
it's hard for them to believe there's no god. That's the part of the
brain where common sense lies. It's about observing that there
obviously has to be a god. It's human evolution and intelligence that
brought about this observation. I think science has to prove rather
that there ISN'T a god, because our developed intelligence and ability
to observe this is more evolved than science.


More
scientists believe in the kind of god I have just described but don't
believe in the god's described by the various religions that are
practiced by people, and the scientists that don't believe in a god
are in the minority.

Can you explain how you know this? I've never been surveyed, for
instance. I don't believe in a god. I admire the words of Feynman, who
said, "I don't have to know an answer. I'm not frightened by not
knowing things, by being lost in a mysterious universe without any
purpose, which is the way it really is as far as we can tell, possibly."
I don't think one should feel compelled to give an answer to this; I can
suspend belief indefinitely. So when challenged by someone, "So how
does the whole universe come about, then?" I can simply answer, "I don't
know." I don't feel that it's a weakness of science that it doesn't
cleave to an answer--any answer--just because people feel intuitively
there must be one.


I read a long time ago somewhere that most scientists believe in a
god. That guy Feynman seemed to be just an atheist to me. And it's not
just about fear and not knowing.


If they
really believe in their theories then their scientific kind of
thinking is getting the best of them. Or I think they are just simply
bad scientists :)

You might think that, but there's no good reason to think it a priori.
There may be lots of evidence in favor of a theory--in that case, it
makes sense to believe it. Ultimately, however, it doesn't matter who
believes in a theory, or how many people support it; what matters is
how well the available evidence supports it, and what additional
evidence we could gather to further confirm or deny it.


There is no good evidence or theories that point to there not being a
god. The minority of scientists who have their theories just have a
one (scientific) tracked mind, while most don't follow those theories
and are not blinded by their profession. Just my opinion of course :)
.

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