Re: Universes, was Re: Venus- why not a good planet to view?

On Wed, 16 May 2007 20:42:28 GMT, pausch@xxxxxxx (Paul Schlyter)
wrote:


If you want to invoke some kind of creator to "explain" how the
universe came to be, you're really replacing a hard problem - the
origin of the universe - with an even harder problem - the origin of
your creator. How was God created? Did SuperGod create God. If so,
how was SuperGod created? Did HyperGod create SuperGod? If so, how
was HyperGod created? Et cetera et cetera ad infinitum -- in the end
you must still assume there was "something" which came into being
without having been created. And if that "something" can be some
SuperHyperGod X levels of deities up, why couldn't that "something"
instead be the universe itself?

"Explaining" the origin of the universe with God or some other creator
does not solve the problem -- it's merely a way to stop asking and
stop wondering.


I don't have to try to invoke any creator to explain anything. The
majority of humankind including scientists believe in a god. I lean
more to the kind of god that scientists believe in, that is some sort
of unknown creator or "force", as opposed to the religious kind of
gods, but that doesn't matter, I'm not putting down religions. You're
the one that has to try to invoke a godless universe, and are in the
minority. Don't you feel silly believing that the universe just came
up on by itself?

A god that created a god, that's interesting, but we'll have to get to
the first creator before we get to that :) But it just shows you what
I said before, we may be like chimps trying to figure out how to get
to a banana. The chimp is very far from figuring out anything about
the universe. But so far in our evolution our intelligence tells us
there obviously has to be a creator. You just have to look in on Earth
and see what's happening here to see there's obviously a creator. Of
course these are all just opinions :)
.

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