Re: Universes, was Re: Venus- why not a good planet to view?

On May 16, 10:20 pm, Bullseye <b...@xxxxxx> wrote:
On 16 May 2007 13:28:45 -0700, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:





You are among those who have lost their intutive intelligence to
recognise that creation is a fountain and not a cistern.All faith
relies on the ability to appreciate the Eternal in temporal existence
and most of all that love is the center of all things and not
transitory ideas.The pre-Christian answer in Job amounts to
beholding the vastness of creation once the shallow surface artifices
are stripped away,the limitations are exceeded and we find ourselves
participators in creation rather than commentators.

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/job/job38.htm

These anti-Christian and anti-intutive creatures,using a mixture of
astrology and photography close the Universe in a celestial sphere
bubble and would rob others of the experiences which the great Western
astronomers fought so hard to realise.The empirical or 'scientific
method' agenda was always going to be anti-faith insofar as it tries
to assemble facts to conform with what it sees but that sight has
proven unreliable as I have shown again and again.

The author of Job knew the constellations - "Have you fitted a curb to
the Pleiades, or loosened the bonds of Orion? " but he fits it into
the swirling dynamic of creation and the joys as well as the
pitilessness, carelessness, strengths, weaknesses, abilities that are
often found in the form of man.There is no pretension in creation and
it does not suffer a civilisation to survive that attempts to
construct creation out of its component parts ,insofar as the
foundations for constructing visions of the universe are based on the
incorrect relationship between the axial and orbital cycles,you can
imagine that what exists now are conceptual monsters. Copernicus,a
Christian,was well aware of this -

" although they have extracted from them the apparent motions, with
numerical agreement, nevertheless . . . . They are just like someone
including in a picture hands, feet, head, and other limbs from
different places, well painted indeed, but not modeled from the same
body, and not in the least matching each other, so that a monster
would be produced from them rather than a man. Thus in the process of
their demonstrations, which they call their system, they are found
either to have missed out something essential, or to have brought in
something inappropriate and wholly irrelevant, which would not have
happened to them if they had followed proper principles. For if the
hypotheses which they assumed had not been fallacies, everything which
follows from them could be independently verified." De revolutionibus,
1543

Many ideologies have appeared that never made room for what Dante knew
-" The Love which moves the sun and the other stars." notwithstanding
that this is at the core of all Christian beliefs and especially in
the life of Christ.

What do you want proven Bullseye ?,you can go out yourself and
discover that love is central to existence,that you are an astronomer
because the motions of the Earth make your existence possible,that
there is no special knowledge required to appreciate nature but just a
respectful regard for physical considerations.The works of the great
astronomers are found in this direction but the works of men who have
turned our heritage into a celestial sphere cistern can only live off
a pseudo-authority where investigation is no longer a facet of
existence but a cruel tyrant built on self congratulation and
pretension.

If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to
man as it is: Infinite. --William Blake

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These fools here believe that being 'religious' is a byword for
ignorance and they have no reason to believe otherwise judging by your
response.

If all you can manage is a great bearded gentlemen in the sky then
good for you,it is acceptable as a religious belief for those who
direct their energies to more basic human endeavors but for those who
ascend to astronomical affairs and how existence is a direct result of
the cyclical motions of the Earth and the structure into which those
motions occur,the same intutive intelligence which loves Christian
faith is employed in trying to discern accurate astronomical working
principles based on physical considerations.In short,you cannot be an
astronomer and be anti-Christian or indeed any faith where the Eternal
and temporal mesh.

The only enemy Christianity has in mediocrity and these astrologers
here have reduced the vibrant astronomical discipline of
Copernicus,Kepler and Huygens to an exercise in magnification all
imposed on an astrological framework.Should you doubt that the great
Christians prefered a non believer to a mediocre one then be under no
doubt -

" I know what you have done, and that you are neither cold not hot (as
a church). I could wish that you were either cold or hot! but since
you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I intend to spit you out of
my mouth! While you say, 'I am rich, I have prospered, and there is
nothing that I need', you have no eyes to see that you are wretched,
pitiable, poverty-stricken, blind and naked (in God's sight). My
advice to you is to buy from me that gold which is purified in the
furnace so that you may be rich, and white garments to wear so that
you may hide the shame of your nakedness, and salve to put on your
eyes to make you see. All those whom I love I correct and discipline"
Johanine Revelation


So,stop your whining to these numbskulls who have no feel for
astronomy never mind matters of faith.








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