Re: Kepler ,Newton and orbital geometry

On Sep 3, 6:03 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
Rather than go through the details,and they are intricate,perhaps it
is best to demonstrate why it is neccessary to revisit the explanation
for Keplerian orbital geometries and how the late 17th century
shortcuts creates multiple problems elsewhere such as the pressing
need to modify the cause for the seasons by concentrating on the
orbital motion of the Earth and Keplerian orbital geometry.

Newton did not take shortcuts, and except for failing to come up with
the Special and General Theory of Relativity, nothing is lacking in
Newtonian mechanics.


I am not concerned with whether Newton took shortcuts or created
conceptual monsters based on an astrological framework,it is the total
lack of appreciating of the actual working astronomical principles in
structural and timekeeping astronomy.It is not about how Isaac and
Flamsteed were wrong,it is strictly the ability to affirm Copernican/
Keplerian reasoning using 21st century imaging technology by
discerning the axial and orbital geometry from space and then
applying them to geological and especially climatological disciplines.

You can actually see how the orbital motion of the Earth causes the
solar radiation/orbital shadow boundary to alter in accordance with
Keplerian orbital geometry by looking down at the Earth from space and
from there into climatological/meteorological influences .As a
champion of 21st century imaging,I am not bound to late 17th century
notions that introduced a hemispherical pseudo-dynamic of variable
axial tilt introduced by Flamsteed and built on by Newton in order to
bypass the Equation of Time system and extract axial rotation by
appealing to the return of a star.in 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds.





The truth of Newton's mechanics, of the inverse-square law of
gravitation,

When faced with the actual texts of Kepler describing how he uses the
orbital periods of the Earth and Saturn to discern distances from the
Sun it should be an occasion for pride among astronomers but instead
it is directed to an awful geocentric/heliocentric orbital equivalency
of Newton that does not make sense, -

"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five
primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the
earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean
distances from the sun." Newton

The very framework which the earthbound Flamsteed/Newton built is now
destroying the ability to work productively with imaging of the Earth
from space and far from asking readers to actually sort out the
differences between Kepler and Newton's contrived mess,I direct them
towards imaging which speaks for itself.The key Equation of Time
principle which expresses the rate of change of orbital orientation by
means of the noon cycle and axial rotation is crucial to making the
neccessary modifications for climatological purposes.





of the conservation of angular momentum, is reaffirmed
countless times in the workings of our machines, and especially in the
paths of automated space probes launched to photograph the planets of
our solar systems.


You convince yourself of whatever you need to,you will even swear
blind that the natural noon cycles are 24 hours exactly in order to
justify axial rotation through 360 degrees in 23 hours 56 minutes 04
seconds or that retrogrades are resolved by a hypothetical observer on
the Sun,neither of these are true but are the basis for the Newtonian
framework.


If Newton were wrong, the Apollo astronauts would not have made it
back home.

John Savard

You have no idea what it feels like to witness the dominance of the
astronomical discipline by mathematicians who have little regard for
what is involved in appreciating the great cycles which make existence
possible.They no longer send men to the moon,they send satellites to
theoretical Langrange points as if they were real -

http://www.jwst.nasa.gov/orbit.html

Maybe some dynamicists would wish to consider that the solar system's
galactic orbital motion may influence the shape of planetary
heliocentric motion insofar as it represents compound motions,instead
the Newtonian numbskulls are still treating the solar system as
isolated as Newton once did -

"Cor. 2. And since these stars are liable to no sensible parallax from
the annual motion of the earth, they can have no force, because of
their immense distance, to produce any sensible effect in our system.
Not to mention that the fixed stars, every where promiscuously
dispersed in the heavens, by their contrary actions destroy their
mutual actions, by Prop. LXX, Book I."

The free flowing astronomical methods of Copernicus and Kepler based
on orbital comparisons will allow dynamicists to work with compound
orbital motions whereas the celestial sphere framework of Newton makes
the whole thing wither.











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