Re: Kepler ,Newton and orbital geometry

On Sep 4, 7:17 am, Margo Schulter <mschul...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Anyway, I don't see why we can't approach the idea of a heliocentric Solar
System and planetary motions in more than one way: either using modern
imaging to illustrate Kepler's explanation of apparent retrograde motion,
or using Newton's heliocentric reference frame (to me, a fine thought
experiment). We're hardly limited to one frame of reference, and I'd
consider it elegant to use two or more, rather like having alternative
proofs for a theorem of whatever.

Most appreciatively,

Margo Schulter
mschul...@xxxxxxxxxx
Lat. 38.566 Long. -121.430

In the end you are just another empiricist giving yourself a choice
you do not have.the physical considerations involved in explaining
apparent retrogrades by using the orbital motion of the Earth between
Venus and Mars to account for the observed behavior directly leads to
the physical conclusioon that axial rotation causes the daily
cycle.From there you witness the enormous advance where the Equation
of Time system was adapted to the axial cycle and terrestrial
longitudes as a 24 hour/360 degree correlation.

Oncve you give yourself the choice or develop the jargon of 'reference
frames' you develop thinking that is alien to astronomical methods and
insights.You develop ideas like the reference frame of the Earth ,the
Sun returns to noon in 24 hours and the stars return in 23 hours 56
minutes 04 seconds therefore orbital motion must explain the
difference between the two -

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/rocket_sci/orbmech/period.html

By its very intricate nature,astronomy lends itself to more abuse
than any other discipline and it is for good reason that I can rightly
point out that the disgust with which genuine investigators looked on
Piltdown man should apply here by many degrees of magnitude -

"deliberate malice could hardly have been more successful than the
hazards of deposition in so breaking the fossils as to give free scope
to individual judgment in fitting the parts together." G S Miller

I have stopped short at calling the misconduct perpetrated on
astronomy as outright fraud,the orginal mistake by Flamsteed appears
to be a genuine error by forgetting that you cannot justify axial
rotation as constant by using the return of a star to a location
using a 24 hour clock.It is Newton's manner of building on that
framework that has cost humanity so much and especially in this era
when climatological concerns require an immediate effort to understand
what is going on and it is here that the 'frames of reference ' jargon
costs so much.





















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