Re: The Ethos is Coming!

oriel36 wrote:
It is a simple comparison and I am not obliged to convince you that
there is a correct way and an incorrect way to look at the natural
noon cycle .

You are not obliged to convince him, or to convince me, no. I should
hope, though, that you do seek to marshal your arguments so that they
might be understood, and could prove convincing at least to someone
perhaps more open-minded than I might be.

Here is the incorrect way -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Tiempo_sid%C3%A9reo.en.png

Yes, that diagram does have a mistake in it, because the 24 hour day
is only an average, as you correctly point out.

Here is the correct way -

" Here take notice, that the Sun or the Earth passeth the 12.
Signes, or makes an entire revolution in the Ecliptick in 365 days, 5
hours 49 min. or there about, and that those days, reckon'd from noon
to noon, are of different lenghts; as is known to all that are vers'd
in Astronomy. " Huygens

http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html

But the paragraph you quote contradicts nothing in the established
view of astronomy.

The astronomical jewel represents a specific correlation.The human
devised 'average' 24 hour cycle was transfered to the axial cycle as a
'constant' while not directly refering to axial rotation.As each 24
hour day elaspes into the next 24 hour day by way of the noon
cycle,the timekeeping astronomers overlaid the 24 hour day on
planetary geometry ,where 4 minutes of clock time equals 1 degree of
geographical seperation making 24 hours/360 degrees.

Yes. And the cause of this relationship is that the 24 hour average
day is based on the actual solar day, of which it is an average. And
the actual time of day within the solar day is an *angle* between the
meridian and the Sun's position, and so the 360 degrees of the round
Earth mean that the local meridian goes through 360 degrees of angle
with the Sun.

Axial rotation has never been isolated and it certainly is not
fractions of a second off the 23 hour 56 minute 04 second
value,nowhere even close.

Given that the Earth goes around the Sun in 365 and 1/4 solar days,
approximately, and that

(1/(365 1/4 days)) + (1/(24 hours)) = (1/(23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4
seconds))

then, unless you deny that the 365 1/4 day year represents isolated
orbital motion, your denial that 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4 seconds
represents isolated axial rotation is clearly wrong.

This is not something that is open to debate or argument; it is as
plain as the fact that 2 + 3 equals 5, and not four or six. You must
deny that the 365 1/4 day year represents isolated orbital motion if
you are to deny that 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4 seconds represents
isolated axial rotation.

As the change in orbital
orientation is a distinct motion there is no need to justify is
through axial orientation which is seperate motion.

Establishment astronomers explain the seasons through the Earth having
a *fixed* axial orientation (the North pole ever points towards
Polaris) and a changing orbital orientation (the Earth moves from one
side of the Sun to the other, upon a plane (the ecliptic) to which its
axis is not perpendicular, and hence its axis, unchanging in
direction, points at one time towards the Sun, and at another time
away); therefore, if your words mean what they appear to say, they
would be an affirmation, and not a contradiction, of the existing
conventional understanding of the seasons.

This is why I feel, and why others feel, that it is you and not we who
have a misunderstanding of how the motions in our Solar System
operate.

John Savard

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