Re: The 3 minute 56 second illusion

On May 28, 8:40 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >

The 3 basic facts are connected - >

The Earth is round.
The Earth is rotating.
The Earth rotates once in 24 hours. >

Terrestrial longitudes carry the specific information such as
rotational characteristics by converging at the geographical poles
along with the shape of the Earth based on 4 minutes of clock time for
each degree of geographical separation.

This is exactly correct, each degree of longitude represents 4 minutes
on the clock and results in a 24-hour 360 degree day, but ONLY with
respect to the sun. There is no argument about this, we can all deal
with this, and we also understand the equation of time adjustments
needed due to the non-circular nature of the orbit and the earth's
varying speed along its orbital path throughout the year.

The actual creation of the 24 hour day and clocks that reflect this
value are based on an inviolate set of principles which refer and
fixed the daily cycle to natural noon and the orbital cycle to the
stellar background,there is no ambiguity in these principles
whatsoever -

Right again, even if you are just restating what you already said in
the previous paragraph.

Insofar as Flamsteed inverted the references by fixing daily rotation
to the background stars and orbital motion to the central Sun in one
awful 'sidereal time vs solar time' hoax,surely somebody has an
inkling of the terrible consequences -

Flamsteed didn't invert anything, he only noted that when choosing to
mark time by referencing the earth's rotation against the fixed stars
instead of the sun, there is a difference of a few minutes each day.
Of course, it turns out that this is due to the earth's motion along
its orbit, so we see that reference star from a slightly different
perspective each night, with respect to the fixed stars, a difference
that we do NOT see with respect to the sun.

Just because actual measurements show that it takes an average of 24
hours to go from noon to noon, and also that is takes a few minutes
less to go from star A to star A, doesn't make either measurement
invalid, it is what it is, and anyone with half a brain can make the
same measurements, day after day and night after night. So what? We
all mark our daily lives with solar time because using sidereal time
would serve no purpose. I would guess that 99% of the earth's
population have never even heard of sidereal time, and there is no
reason for them to do so, it has no consequence whatsoever in their
lives, and it has very little value in mine. Sidereal time is about as
important to humanity as boobs on a bullfrog, but it definitely
exists.

What exactly do people wish to do ?,the basic facts linking
shape,rotation and time for rotation only support the reasoning which
reflects the creation of the 24 hour day and its transfer to daily
rotation as a constant and this involves the principles which separate
natural noon from 24 hour clock noon.

I don't see where anyone wants to change anything. We will move
forward using solar time (until the actual length of the day changes
enough to measure it), and a few of us will understand sidereal time
for what it is.

I do not understand how this is happening ,I can understand the
trekkie and Sam who live in an unreal astrological realm where there
are no boundaries between speculation and fiction but this is the
most basic,basic planetary facts imaginable and that an alternative
value is posited for the third fact is close to being catastrophic by
any measure.If a person believed in a flat Earth through his own
conclusions they would rightly be ignored,likewise people who believe
in a stationary Earth through their owjn reasoning yet here we have
that awful reasoning which switches the reference for daily rotation
from natural noon to the stellar background hence the 23 hour 56
minute 04 second value !. >

This is not a game,this is dead serious and it needs to be treated for
the actual crisis that it is.This is also the usenet and all my
attempts for years can be set aside as nothing just so long as people
can actually spot the same distortion I am looking at by making
comparisons with Huygens treatise.There is nothing honorable in
distorting the 3 planetary facts that are linked one to the other by
shape.rotation and time for nothing will make sense in terms of
planetary dynamics and besides,the 'sidereal time' fact is so bad
that it cannot even be considered for pure political reasons.

You are making a big deal about absolutely nothing. NOTHING AT ALL!
Sidereal time is not now and never has been offered as an alternative
to solar time, they are just observations of earth's motions using
different frames of reference. There is no crisis, there is no
illusion, there are no terrible consequenses, and no one is trying to
fool you with a game of 3-card Monty.

You seem to be really upset about this, but your fears are groundless.

The earth moves how it moves, and it has been doing it for a long
time, and we can do nothing about it. We can only make observations
and then try to come up with a model that explains "how things really
are". Many great thinkers, all of them a lot smarter than you or I,
seem to have figured it out to a high degree of precision, and none of
them did it entirely on their own, each built upon the ideas preceding
themselves, and I marvel at their results. I learn something new about
astronomy every day.

It amazes me that you never, ever seem to question your own
conclusions, because we all make mistakes, no one is perfect. Would it
be so terrible for you to admit that sometimes you get it wrong, like
everyone else does?

"Only having a curious mind and making mistakes gains us real wisdom."

"You have the ability to learn from your mistakes. You will learn a
lot today."

\Paul A

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