Re: Climate change

On Jul 5, 12:29 am, Mike Collins <acridiniumes...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On 4 July, 00:28, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Jul 3, 11:52 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

oriel36 wrote:
On Jul 3, 12:48 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
   That's because any one of us can make the same measurement
   and see that it is true.... that's the beauty of science,
   it is repeatable, verifiable.

How does an Iowa farm boy come to the conclusion that a star returns
in 24 hours 3 minutes 56 seconds or 3 minutes 56 seconds later each
night ! -

   Between shelling corn and bailing hay, I studied mathematics, physics
   and astronomy. But what really clinched it for me was the successive
   occulations of Vega by the power line to the east of the farm house
   at intervals of 86,164.09 seconds.

Try a world globe,spin it through 360 degrees -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/World_globe.jpg

Any individual who makes the smallest possible contribution in the
effort to restore astronomy,and yes,even the promotion of the
'sidereal time value as a wonderful observational convenience based on
timekeeping averages is acting out of goodness for the great heritage
of the past and for future generations.

I have done enough to emphasise that it is the reasoning behind the 24
hour/360 degree value rather than just an expression of a simple fact
which constitutes the core distinctions between an astronomer and an
astrologer as the tendency to fabricate observations to arrive at the
'sidereal time' value is nothing more or less than the same type of
reasoning which denies a supreme achievement bound up in putting men
of the surface of the moon.After 6 years of unrelenting hostility here
and you can still give that value without fear of objection indicates
just how severe the problem actually w unas.

So Sam,it is Independence day in more ways than one,the end of a
tragedy and the beginning of a human triumph.

Try the world globe yourself.
Point the north pole to a distant point simulating polaris.
Now move the globe round an object representing the sun, keeping the
pole aligned with the same point.
Note that to keep looking at the sun thoughout an orbit you will have
to turn 360 degrees relative to the globe's axis. This is the extra
rotation which makes the siderial day less then the mean solar day.

These are the inverted references for daily and orbital motion which
have a definite beginning with Flamsteed and lead to the 'sidereal
time' value which contains no information on planetary shape and
rotation.

The original references use daily rotation to noon, and orbital motion
to the stellar background for the annual cycle and the average 24 hour
day ,after the Equation of Time correction,acting to serve the
principle of constant rotation-

"Here take notice, that the Sun or the Earth passeth the 12. Signes,
or makes an entire revolution in the Ecliptick in 365 days, 5 hours 49
min. or there about, and that those days, reckon'd from noon to noon,
are of different lenghts; as is known to all that are vers'd in
Astronomy. Now between the longest and the shortest of those days, a
day may be taken of such a length, as 365 such days, 5. hours &c. (the
same numbers as before) make up, or are equall to that revolution: And
this is call'd the Equal or Mean day, according to which the Watches
are to be set; and therefore the Hour or Minute shew'd by the Watches,
though they be perfectly Iust and equal, must needs differ almost
continually from those that are shew'd by the Sun, or are reckon'd
according to its Motion. But this Difference is regular, and is
otherwise call'd the Aequation,"

http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html

I can't imagine what must go through your head when this normal,simple
process is explained by Huygens or by John Harrison,the multitude of
websites which simply state that the Earth turns once in 24 hours,the
actual tables with values which show the distance a latitude rotates
in 4 minutes of clock time corresponding to an entire corcumference of
the planet in 24 hours -

http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/curricula/giscc/units/u014/tables/table02.html

I do not mind if you believe in the 'sidereal time' value or the
reasoning behind it which amounts to the flat Earth type reasoning
that if a star returns using a timekeeping average then it must be the
rotation of the Earth through 360 degrees,the thing is so crude and
destructive that I now have a bigger problem dealing with the idea
that men can actually make an enormous effort to ignore the principles
for the correct value and support this sidereal time vs solar time
hoax.


It's obvious that you have limited powers of imagination and
visualisation or you wouldn't keep making the same mistakes.
Try this demonstration several times until you understand. If you
still have problems let someone else go through the simulation and
explain it to you.

That the Earth turns as a fact and that it turns to the Sun along with
its orbital motion generating the variations in natural noon is a
fact.That daily rotation as an independent motion cannot be isolated
is also a fact because the natural inequalities arise from the orbital
motion of the Earth are reflected in the observation that no two
rotations to natural noon are alike.

The brilliant system whereby the average 24 hour day is developed out
of the natural noon inequalities where the 24 hours of Sunday turn
into the 24 hours of Monday and then into the 24 hours of Tuesday and
go on continuously is the same wonderful convenience that
incrementally subdues the orbital element which causes the natural
noon inequalities thereby allowing daily rotation to exist as a
constant.With modern imaging it is possible to observationally see how
daily rotation and the specifics of orbital motion combine to create
the observed noon inequalities that astronomers on Earth have known
since antiquity.

If you have that 'sidereal vs solar time' hoax established in your
head it may be impossible to get it out because as an independent
motion,spin a world globe and it will turn through 360 degrees where 1
hour of clock time represents 15 degrees of geographical separation
organised around the rotational characteristics of the Earth.All you
have to do is spin the globe,that is all -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/World_globe.jpg

Tell me what answer you get in terms of time.





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