Re: "Tired" light

From: N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\) (net_at_nospam.com)
Date: 07/03/04 

Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 09:36:17 -0700

Dear Marcel Luttgens:

"Marcel Luttgens" <mluttgens@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> Bjoern Feuerbacher <feuerbac@thphys.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote in message
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> > Marcel Luttgens wrote:
> > > "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <N: dlzc1 D:cox T:net@nospam.com> wrote
in message news:<lRUEc.3894$nc.2802@fed1read03>...
> > >
> > >>Dear Marcel Luttgens:
> > >
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > >>>In the case of a negative acceleration, light is redshifted, meaning
that
> > >>>it loses energy, like a stone thrown vertically from the ground
> > >>>(where g is the negative acceleration). In the universe, a_H plays
the
> > >>>role of g.
> > >>
> > >>But in static Euclidian space, there is no such gradient that light
must
> > >>"climb" against. There is as much mass ahead as behind, with a
similar
> > >>distribution. Therefore you have just proven that your supposition
is in
> > >>error.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > a_H has been observed.
> >
> > What observations do you mean, specifically?
> >
>
> The "anomalous" Pioneers' acceleration.

The two probes before it had different values for this acceleration.
Cassinni was designed to avoid the *mechanical errors* determined to be the
cause of those different anomalous accelerations, and it showed no such
acceleration. Your expectation is found to be without support.

> > > Where does it come from?
> > > Well, only part of the static *infinite* Euclidian space can be
observed,
> > > and that part is a sphere of radius c/H.
> >
> > A moment, please. When you talk about a static universe, you mean
> > one which is infinitely old, right? If yes, why can we see only
> > a sphere with the radius of c/H? If no, what *do* you mean?
> >
>
> Yes, infinitely old. Btw, you seem to believe in faster than light
> interactions.

Distance is an illusion to soothe the masses. Quantum interactions don't
care about distance or time, only presence and sequence. From that
foundation must come spacetime.

> > > At some distance from the center
> > > of the sphere, there is not as much mass "ahead as behind".
> >
> > Why not?
> >
>
> Because it is a sphere.

A sphere has an edge, assuming you infer that we live inside the sphere.
The edge must be more than 13 Gly from here. No edge is seen. No
anomalous decrease in the number of objects with distance, in only one
direction.

A sphere has equipotential surfaces, shells if you will. This requires
there to be distant objects that have the same redshift as us, and other
distant objects that are blueshifted (shells further out). No such
experimental data exists.

A sphere has a center. The CMBR, only 270,000 years from the Big Bang, is
uniformly all around us, and uniformly red shifted. We are not at the
center, as we are travelling at 300 km/sec now. The center might lie along
the plane containing the Milky Way galaxy, which is why we cannot see it.
But the red shift with distance does not describe any anomalies along that
direction.

You are shooting blanks. You cannot bequeath an eternal Universe to your
children. I *am* sorry.

David A. Smith

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