Re: MBR Isolation Tests

From: greywolf42 (mingstb_at_marssim-ss.com)
Date: 01/10/05 

Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:07:14 GMT

Bjoern Feuerbacher <feuerbac@thphys.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote in message
news:crjnd3$ole$1@news.urz.uni-heidelberg.de...
> greywolf42 wrote:
> > Bjoern Feuerbacher <feuerbac@thphys.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote in message
> > news:crgb2m$33c$1@news.urz.uni-heidelberg.de...
> >
> >>greywolf42 wrote:
> >>
> >>>George Dishman <george@briar.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >>>news:crev06$48n$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
> >>
> >>[snip]
> >
> > {snip higher levels and sniping responses sans physics}
>
> Conveniently hiding that you started that.

Yep.

> >>>>>Not one CMBR device -- to my knowledge -- has ever attempted an
> >>>>>isolation test. That is, a test to determine whether the signal was
> >>>>>actually produced "within" the antenna -- or whether it had an
> >>>>>external source. For example, I know for a fact that Penzias and
> >>>>>Wilson did not do this test. They *did* cut out the antenna
> >>>>>connection. But they did not put their antenna in an isolation
> >>>>>chamber.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I'd be happy to be corrected, if you know of anyone who has done
> >>>>>this. (And this has been discussed on the newsgroups for at least a
> >>>>>decade.)
> >>>>
> >>>>Well I can't imagine they would launch any craft without
> >>>>testing the equipment and you can't do that except in
> >>>>a screened room. However, you would have to contact the
> >>>>team that built the equipment to get confirmation, it's
> >>>>the sort of thing everyone does without comment, just
> >>>>normal engineering, so it is unlikely you will find
> >>>>anything published about it.
> >>>
> >>>Then why did P&W discuss the tests they ran on their systems? If it's
> >>>just something that one normally does?
> >>
> >>1) This was several decades ago. Tests which are considered
> >>today to be totally standard obviously weren't considered
> >>all to be standard back then.
> >>2) They made a quite surprising observation, so it's natural
> >>to do extensive testing and report it.
> >
> > But P&W never did test their assumption that the "signal" originated
> > outside the antenna. Even though it was "surprising". Now that it's
> > no longer "surprising", you ask me to take on faith that this test is a
> > "standard?" LOL!
>
> I did not ask you to take this on faith.

LOL! Here is your quote:
"Tests which are considered today to be totally standard obviously weren't
considered all to be standard back then." And "They made a quite surprising
observation, so it's natural to do extensive testing and report it."

That *IS* asking me to take it on Faith.

> I explicitly
> suggested at the end of the post (see below) to you that you could
> simply write to the designers of COBE and WMAP and *ask* them if they
> did do such a test.

Well knowing that such a request will never be answered.

> Did you forget that suggestion, or were you merely lying above?

Bye in this thread, Troll....

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