Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian [vs. the eternal existence of the universe]

From: Ralph Hertle (ralph.hertle_at_verizon.net)
Date: 01/23/05 

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:07:54 GMT

Franz Heymann:

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> You are mistaken in thinking that there was a prior time.
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> Franz

What is the prior time to which you refer and that you imply doesn't exist.

That's a contradiction.

Time is the relative motion of moving physical entities measured as a
mathematical ratio with regard to another moving entity that is specified
as a standard reference.

You imply that there was no prior time during a presumed state of
non-existence.

That implies that no physical entities exist in the state of non-existence
that you claim that existed.

You have zero proof of any non-existence of the physical universe or
physical entities of any type, anywhere, or at any time.

Proof of non-existence is rationally impossible.

The only proofs that are possible in science are proofs, including
discoveries, identifications, conceptualizations, and demonstrations of
physical existents.

There can be no proofs of nothing.
There can be no discoveries of nothing.
There can be no identifications of nothing.
There can be no conceptualizations of nothing.
There can be no demonstrations of nothing.

If you say that the opposites are true, well, you might find that the
insane asylums, and some universities, are populated with those who think
as you.

Only somethings, that is, everything, exists.

The concept of 'is', or existence, has as its very core the continuation of
substance.

The concept of continuation is a corollary to substance, and together, the
axiom that, "Existence is existing" (Ayn Rand and Aristotle in the
philosophy of science) is formed to identify the basic fact of the
universe. That is, that,

Everything exists, and exists continually.

The next time you use the terms, identity, equals (=), is, is proportional
to (::), is in a ratio to (:), or is the same as, you are using a form of
conceptual identification that defines that which exists. You can't speak
continually and coherently without that concept - "is" is basic to
existence - to the universe.

Don't tell me that mathematics doesn't exist where there is nothing.

I will say that mathematics is the science identifies, and more
specifically, measures, the facts and properties of existents in the universe.

If you extend your time number line into reverse and into claimed
non-existence, which is impossible for well known physical and scientific
reasons, I will say that you cannot do so without invoking elements of
Euclidean geometry.

Ralph Hertle

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