Re: Astronomers: 'Dark' galaxy discovered
From: Grant Bazan (lgnbazan_at_comcast.net)
Date: 02/28/05
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:30:36 -0800
I agree when ALL stars are through converting ALL material from
predominantly H to Fe this may occur, but there is no model in existence
that can forsee this happening for at least 10^40 years ! All you have
to do is compose a simple differential equation describing how
compositions change from generation to genetation to show that our
meager existence of ~ 13 billion years can in no way give this result.
Grant Bazan
Gian wrote:
> It must be a very old galaxy that run out of energy. When our sun runs out of energy, it will be dark. When all stars in the milky way run out of energy, out galaxy will be a dark galaxy.
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> "josephus" <dogbird@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:ZHvTd.5253$873.295@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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>>Harvest Dancer wrote:
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>>>I found this fascinating.
>>>
>>>http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/02/24/dark.galaxy/index.html
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>>>Astronomers: 'Dark' galaxy discovered
>>>
>>>(SPACE.com) -- Astronomers have discovered an invisible galaxy that
>>>could be the first of many that will help unravel one of the universe's
>>>greatest mysteries.
>>>
>>>The object appears to be made mostly of "dark matter," material of an
>>>unknown nature that can't be seen.
>>>
>>>Theorists have long said most of the universe is made of dark matter.
>>>Its presence is required to explain the extra gravitational force that
>>>is observed to hold regular galaxies together and that also binds large
>>>clusters of galaxies.
>>>
>>>Theorists also believe knots of dark matter were integral to the
>>>formation of the first stars and galaxies. In the early universe, dark
>>>matter condensed like water droplets on a spider web, the thinking
>>>goes. Regular matter -- mostly hydrogen gas -- was gravitationally
>>>attracted to a dark matter knot, and when the density became great
>>>enough, a star would form, marking the birth of a galaxy.
>>>
>>>The theory suggests that pockets of pure dark matter ought to remain
>>>sprinkled across the cosmos. In 2001, a team led by Neil Trentham of
>>>the University of Cambridge predicted the presence of entire dark
>>>galaxies.
>>>
>>>The newfound dark galaxy was detected with radio telescopes. Similar
>>>objects could be very common or very rare, said Robert Minchin of
>>>Cardiff University in the UK.
>>>
>>>"If they are the missing dark matter halos predicted by galaxy
>>>formation simulations but not found in optical surveys, then there
>>>could be more dark galaxies than ordinary ones," Minchin told
>>>SPACE.com.
>>>
>>>In a cluster of galaxies known as Virgo, some 50 million light-years
>>>away, Minchin and colleagues looked for radio-wavelength radiation
>>>coming from hydrogen gas. They found a well of it that contains a
>>>hundred million times the mass of the Sun. It is now named VIRGOHI21.
>>>
>>>The well of material rotates too quickly to be explained by the
>>>observed amount of gas. Something else must serve as gravitational
>>>glue.
>>>
>>>"From the speed it is spinning, we realized that VIRGOHI21 was a
>>>thousand times more massive than could be accounted for by the observed
>>>hydrogen atoms alone," Minchin said. "If it were an ordinary galaxy,
>>>then it should be quite bright and would be visible with a good amateur
>>>telescope."
>>>
>>>The ratio of dark matter to regular matter is at least 500-to-1, which
>>>is higher than I would expect in an ordinary galaxy," Minchin said.
>>>"However, it is very hard to know what to expect with such a unique
>>>object -- it may be that high ratios like this are necessary to keep
>>>the gas from collapsing to form stars."
>>>
>>>Long road to discovery
>>>Other potential dark galaxies have been found previously, but closer
>>>observations revealed stars in the mix. Intense visible-light
>>>observations reveal no stars in VIRGOHI21.
>>>
>>>The invisible galaxy is thought to lack stars because its density is
>>>not high enough to trigger star birth, the astronomers said.
>>>
>>>The discovery was made in 2000 with the University of Manchester's
>>>Lovell Telescope, and the astronomers have worked since then to verify
>>>the work. It was announced today.
>>>
>>>"The universe has all sorts of secrets still to reveal to us, but this
>>>shows that we are beginning to understand how to look at it in the
>>>right way," said astronomer Jon Davies of Cardiff University in the UK.
>>>It's a really exciting discovery." Additional radio observations were
>>>made with the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico. Follow-up optical
>>>work was done with the Isaac Newton Telescope in La Palma. Astronomers
>>>from the UK, France, Italy and Australia contributed to the research.
>>>The project is now searching for other possible dark galaxies.
>>>
>>>Dark matter makes up about 23 percent of the universe's mass-energy
>>>budget. Normal matter, the stuff of stars, planets and people,
>>>contributes just 4 percent. The rest of the universe is driven by an
>>>even more mysterious thing called dark energy.
>>>
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>>I note that you clearly separate the dark matter from the baryonic
>>matter... the galaxy is dark but not like dark matter. It has hydrogen.
>> josephus
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