Re: Light Speed Test versus Special Relativity

From: Stan Byers (sbyers11_at_comcast.net)
Date: 03/23/05 

Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:31:24 -0800

Hello Owen and Group,

Thanks for the message. Your question highlights the important part that SR
does not notice.
It is impossible to have the same relative speed with light when you are
moving in the same direction,... as you have when you are at rest in
relation to the source. If you are parked beside the road and a train is
passing parallel going west at 100 miles per hour(mph),...and then you start
driving west at twenty mph, SR says that the train will still be passing you
at 100 mph.
Now you and I both know that you could not teach such a concept to grade
school children.

Think of the Io eclipse events as an audible clock ticking. When the Earth
has no relative speed in relation to Jupiter there is an "at rest rate".
When the Earth retreats from Jupiter the Doppler effect reduces the rate. SR
says the relative speed of sound remains the same after you start
retreating. Now if the speed of sound stayed the same,... the moving Earth
would hear the "at rest rate" while it was retreating. That is exactly why
SR is impossible. It SR were true there would be no 1003 sec delay as
observed by Roemer. As long as the 1003 sec delay exists since 1676
AD,...SR is impossible.

If two things have different speeds in the same direction relative to
Jupiter it is impossible for the relative speed to be equal to the fastest
speed. This same statement it true for rotation on a common axis.

"OG" <owen@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote in message
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> "Stan Byers" <sbyers11@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> Gentlemen of physical science.
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>> Io's period change graphs via Excel spread***.
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>> Earth retreating from Jupiter
>> http://home.netcom.com/~sbyers11/IoAppro.gif
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>> Earth approaching Jupiter
>> http://home.netcom.com/~sbyers11/IoEcipChange4.gif
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> Your site includes the following key paragraph
> QUOTE
> If the speed of the train of light and events from Jupiter was not
> reduced in relation to the retreating Earth, succeeding observations of
> eclipse events would remain in synchronism with the observations of the
> near point. How could a station 2.6549 million miles further from
> Jupiter observe an eclipse event at the same time that it is observed at
> the near point
> END QUOTE
>
> That is a pretty big IF. . .
> Please explain precisely WHY successive observations would remain in
> synch if speed of light was not reduced.
> They would move out of synch simply because of the increased distance.

Yes, that is exactly right. and the Earth's distance per unit time is
producing the distance.
Therefore the relative speed has changed. Just like the train,... C-v.

SR says the speed of light stays the same after you start retreating.
If the speed stays the same the light's frequency stays the same.
If the frequency stays the same the period between wave crests stay the
same.
If the period for the light wave stays the same the period for the events
carried by the light stay the same.
If the period of events (eclipse) stay the same, there will be no 1003
second delay.

>
> It is, of course, no coincidence that the change in eclipse period is
> proportional to the relative speed of the Earth and Jupiter, since the
> relative speed times 152,916seconds gives the increase in distance.
>
>

Cheers, Stan Byers

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