Re: Pioneer Anomoly


"oriel36" <geraldkelleher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> George Dishman wrote:
>> "oriel36" <geraldkelleher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> > Well if it is'nt my two pets George and Jon showing up in the same
>> > thread.You should be grateful that I spared you from the spacetime
>> > nonsense and showed you that Newton was an incredible nuisance and by
>> > association -his empirical disciples.,nothing more or nothing less.
>>
>> You have showed nothing whatsoever, Gerald, every
>> time I show you the quotes from "De Revolutionibus"
>> you just run away. You are incapable of arguing even
>> the simplest points.
>>
>> I have had to explain the correct meaning of the word
>> "heliocentric" to you several times now yet you continue
>> to misuse it. You seem unable even to use a dictionary.
>>
>> I also showed you that Copernicus and Newton had exactly
>> the same views on the rotation of the Earth, where you
>> said:
>>
>> > What Isaac did was just plain funny in keeping the 'fixed stars' and
>> > re-introducing a quasi-geocentric concept -
>> >
>> > "PHAENOMENON IV.
>> > That the fixed stars being at rest, ..."
>>
>> yet that was exactly what Copernicus had said:
>>
>> "The first and the highest of all is the sphere
>> of the fixed stars, which contains itself and
>> everything, and is therefore immovable. It is
>> unquestionably the place of the universe, to
>> which the motion and position of all the other
>> heavenly bodies are compared."
>>
>> No difference there Gerald, Copernicus said all
>> motion must be related to the stars long before
>> Newton repeated him.
>>
>> > Are you not embarrassed that a sincere Christian can move between
>> > Copernican/Keplerian/Roemerian insights ...
>>
>> But you cannot Gerald, you keep saying things
>> that are exactly the opposite of Copernicus.
>>
>> For example, he said:
>>
>> "To this circle, which goes through the middle
>> of the signs, and to its plane, the equator and
>> the earth's axis must be understood to have a
>> variable inclination. For if they stayed at a
>> constant angle, and were affected exclusively by
>> the motion of the centre, no inequality of days
>> and nights would be observed. On the contrary,
>> it would always be either the longest or shortest
>> day or the day of equal daylight and darkness, or
>> summer or winter, or whatever the character of the
>> season, it would remain identical and unchanged."
>>
>> Do I really have to go digging up what you said about
>> the seasons being caused by "variable tilt". According
>> to you, Copernicus must have been a complete idiot.
>> You haven't the faintest clue what "the Copernican
>> insight" as you call it really was and I suspect you
>> never will, you are too wrapped up in your own
>> arrogance to ever learn anything. I'll give you a
>> hint, it had nothing to do with retrograde motion
>> but merely used that as a tool.
>>
>> No, Gerald I'm not at all embarrassed that I can say
>> I am not a religious fundamentalist, in fact I am
>> quite proud of that. You and Zarqawi and bin-Laden
>> and Paisley and the rest can keep your primitive
>> superstitions and all the injustice and persecution
>> that comes from them. How does it feel to be part of
>> a group that has caused more wars and destruction
>> than anything else on the planet?
>>
>> George
>
> That's more like it Georgie boy,show your true colors.

My true colours are simple, I state the truth, I don't
tell lies to bolster any religious belief as you have
done consistently. Now if you don't want to have your
extremist views thrown back at you, keep them out of
the group. If you want to propose a solar system in
which the Earth is not moving, don't beat about the
bush, just have the courage to come out and say so.

> There you go George,you have a chance of becoming a heliocentrist by
> resolving retrogrades through using the annual motion of the Earth and
> not jumping to the Sun like Newton did,poor guy.

I am a "heliocentrist" as you put it Gerald, and always
have been. So was Newton. In fact the only person here
who isn't one is you because you said "Goes round the
Sun, the Earth does no such thing." That's what the
heliocentric model means Gerald. As for using a
viewpoint on the Sun, that is exactly what Copernicus
did. Here is his diagram again:

http://media.webexhibits.org/calendars/i/dartmouth/1.1.fig.p21.gif

Notice how the Sun is at a fixed location while the
planets move around it. That is the model I accept
and it is what is meant by the word heliocentric.

> As for Copernicus's explanation for cyclical daylight/darkness
> asymmetry and seasonal changes,well the actual mechanism is the
> variation in orbital orientation due to the Earth's orbital motion
> against fixed axial orientation.Even great men like Copernicus ,who did
> not have the benefit of contemporary images, lapse every so often in a
> very intricate astronomical field.Anyone who sees what Copernicus
> actually did would never even consider faulting the man no more than
> Kepler faulted him for adhering to circular orbits.

Nobody faults Copernicus for one good reason, he was
correct. The NASA sites and others about which you
have been so cynical are only repeating what Copernicus
said yet you tried to mock them while always holding up
Copernicus as a paragon. It is that two-faced approach
that shows your true colours Gerald.

George


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