Re: Can other galaxies be seen with the naked eye?

stargene@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> The previous responders have pretty much covered the 'naked eye'
> possibilities.

Thanks, that's what I wanted to be sure about. Now I just need
to understand why God created the other 100 billion galaxies,
given that nobody can see them.

> I just want to say good luck with your creationist
> because you have a hard road ahead.

Actually, I do this recreationally. I've only been there for
about 10 months, but I'm coming to think of the newsgroup
Talk.Origins as my virtual home. It all started about 2 years
ago when I found myself faced with a real live Young Earth
Creationist (YEC) a few office cubicles away. It was then that
I first heard all those truly insane arguments they use:

- 2nd law of thermodynamics makes life impossible
- all fossils created 4,600 years ago during Noah's flood
- light moved millions of times faster in the past
etc.

Those arguments are really hallucinogenic when you hear them for
the first time. Anyway, after getting some help from the folks
in Talk.Origins he is no longer a Young Earth Creationist.
However, since I like arguing, I decided to stay. I have since
developed 3 standard questions that I use on YECs:

1) The closest galaxy to us is Andromeda, which is
3,000,000 light years away. How did the light from
Andromeda get here in less than 10,000 years?

2) Trilobites are extinct animals that lived at the bottom
of the ocean (underwater). Their fossil remains are
often found on dry land, in the middle of continents, in
solid rock, hundreds of feet below ground. How did
Trilobite fossils get into those rocks on land in less
than 10,000 years, and why are there no fossils from
crabs and lobsters (which are not extinct) with them?

3) Sometimes in coal mines more than 1 kilometer
underground, fossilized tree stumps fall from the top of
a mine shaft killing the workers below. How did the
fossilized stumps of extinct trees get buried more than
a kilometer underground in less than 10,000 years?

The above, with proper followup, are fairly effective :-)
Unfortunately Old Earth Creationists (OECs) are much harder to
deal with. I have at least several years reading in biology and
evolution, before I even begin to become effective with those
folks.

Thanks for your interest.

Friar Broccoli
Robert Keith Elias, Quebec, Canada Email: EliasRK (of) gmail * com
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