Re: Can other galaxies be seen with the naked eye?

Creationists are total IDIOTS! I don't believe a word of it!

Saul Levy


On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:57:48 -0700, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <N:
dlzc1 D:cox T:net@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Dear Saul Levy:
>
>"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:fgvan11jnad9pgg8caofe78qqcrsr3i854@xxxxxxxxxx
>> You sure are confused!
>
>What, you haven't heard exactly those "arguments" before? I wish
>I hadn't.
>
>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:33:06 -0700, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com
>> \(dlzc\)" <N:
>> dlzc1 D:cox T:net@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>Dear Friar Broccoli:
>>>
>>>"Friar Broccoli" <EliasRK@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>news:1131757669.757104.204980@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> stargene@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>...
>>>> Those arguments are really hallucinogenic when you
>>>> hear them for the first time. Anyway, after getting
>>>> some help from the folks in Talk.Origins he is no
>>>> longer a Young Earth Creationist. However, since
>>>> I like arguing, I decided to stay. I have since
>>>> developed 3 standard questions that I use on YECs:
>>>>
>>>> 1) The closest galaxy to us is Andromeda, which is
>>>> 3,000,000 light years away. How did the light from
>>>> Andromeda get here in less than 10,000 years?
>>>
>>>God created the light partway here, to complete the illusion.
>>>Same for the CMBR light. As to why The Creator should take up
>>>the role of the Great Liar... yes, well. I think the Holy
>>>Bible
>>>also warns us not to "name the stars" or some such, which might
>>>either be an admonition against astrology or to "pay no
>>>attention
>>>to the man behind the curtain".
>>>
>>>> 2) Trilobites are extinct animals that lived at the bottom
>>>> of the ocean (underwater). Their fossil remains are
>>>> often found on dry land, in the middle of continents, in
>>>> solid rock, hundreds of feet below ground. How did
>>>> Trilobite fossils get into those rocks on land in less
>>>> than 10,000 years, and why are there no fossils from
>>>> crabs and lobsters (which are not extinct) with them?
>>>
>>>The entire fossil record was written by the Prince of the
>>>Earth,
>>>in the Earth, to confuse us.
>>>
>>>> 3) Sometimes in coal mines more than 1 kilometer
>>>> underground, fossilized tree stumps fall from the top
>>>> of a mine shaft killing the workers below. How did
>>>> the fossilized stumps of extinct trees get buried
>>>> more than a kilometer underground in less than
>>>> 10,000 years?
>>>
>>>Fossilization can occur in a few hundred years (just use tap
>>>water from near here). Embedment under hundreds of feet of
>>>alluvial occurs in South America just about every year.
>>>
>>>> The above, with proper followup, are fairly effective :-)
>>>> Unfortunately Old Earth Creationists (OECs) are much
>>>> harder to deal with. I have at least several years reading
>>>> in biology and evolution, before I even begin to become
>>>> effective with those folks.
>>>
>>>Ultimately, it will only be an exercise in argument. Since
>>>that
>>>is your avowed pastime, it sounds like the fire is stoked for a
>>>lifetime of engagement.
>>>
>>>Good luck!
>>>
>>>David A. Smith
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