Re: Can other galaxies be seen with the naked eye?

In message <1131899715.861667.241580@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Friar Broccoli <EliasRK@xxxxxxxxx> writes
Jonathan Silverlight wrote: 
In message <1131757669.757104.204980@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Friar Broccoli <EliasRK@xxxxxxxxx> writes
stargene@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: 

The previous responders have pretty much covered the 'naked
eye' possibilities.



Thanks, that's what I wanted to be sure about.  Now I just
need to understand why God created the other 100 billion
galaxies, given that nobody can see them.


..

Possibly because somebody else can :-) That's another example
of the extraordinary arrogance of some people - the assumption
that not just the Earth but the whole universe is here for our
benefit.


This argument is obviously good from your and my point of view,
however my objective is to convince creationists to change
their minds, consequently it is not arguments that look good to
me that are important.  I need to get my mind into their
head-spaces and find arguments that look good to them.

So getting back to your point, I must work from the assumption
that the bible is the true word of God and that we are central
to God's plan.  On top of that I cannot use any argument that
relies too heavily on a scientific technology, like radioactive
dating, since that is part of a scientific conspiracy intended
to deceive Christians.

Developing clear and simple arguments with such a limited tool
set is the fun and challenge of debating Young Earth
Creationists.


Are you sure it's worth doing? :-)
The Vatican has good reasons for running an observatory, and AFAIK it produces good science. So even an ultra-conservative organisation like the Catholic Church is learning to see beyond a book written 2000 years ago (the modern bits) for a culture that had no conception of modern knowledge.
You're dealing with a bunch of cultists and cranks.
I'm probably wildly misunderstanding it, but IMO the only words in the bible that come close to describing a wider universe and one with other eyes looking out are "in my house there are many mansions".
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