Re: Redshift without expansion


Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (21 Jun 2006 05:50:20 -0700) it happened "sean"
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If the duck was fast enough, then it could even keep up with the wave and see
DC (a fixed elevation level, it could always ride a 'high' (wave top) or 'low'
(wave bottom, or anywhere in between.).
Yes but as I say above were not talking now about ducks on water waves.
My impression is that light does not propogate in the same mechanical
way as the water waves?
Sean


I was under the impression Maxwell used fluid analogy top get his equations.
I still cannot confuse myself enough to follow you reasoning in that example.
The EM wave *moves*, and you will see amplitude variations (as the duck sees),
the amount of bobbing of the duck is related to wave amplitude, the frequency
to wave frequency (for stationary ducks), when one moves you get a frequency
change.

Its nature.
But how does the EM wave move? I know it appears to move because we can
turn a light on and see it from 20 feet away.However it doesnt move in
the same way as the duck in water does. Because the duck and water
molecules transfer energy by physically bobbing up and down (and back
and forth ).
But at each point in space the EM wave isnt bobbing up and down nor
back and forth. And Ive never heard a explanation from any theorist,
Maxwell or otherwise that offers an explanation how the energy
is transfered mechanically.
And if one cant say for sure *how* a wave propogates energy through
space
then one cannot rule out that a non expanding universe with a constant
c can allow the observed frequency to diminish with distance. Because
mathematically its allowed as I can show. And more importantly because
nobody knows exactly how EM waves propgate through space nobody
can say for sure that it cant change wavelngth whilst retaining
constant speed. And I can show here mathematically how an EM wave can
keep constant speed and increase wavelength
I ve worked up the illustration of how this is possible a bit more
since the first post and it seems to me the maths is all correct,
the data is correct and if you are able to understand the graph
then youll see that it is indisputable that a non expanding
universe can have a constant lightspeed yet accomodate a lower
frequency/longer wavelength the farther from source.
Below we have frequency/time across, redshift/distance down.
The first column on the left is frequency so `12` is 1 beat every
12 time units,
6 is 1 beat every 6 time units etc...
Across the top its time units so 00*00 is 5 time units.
Down the side is equal distance units so A-E is 5 units,
A-B 1 unit etc...and each line refers to a different observor
A,B, C, D,& E

E 000000*00000000000000000000000*000000000
D 00000*00000000000000000000000*0000000000
C 0000*00000000000*00000000000*00000000000*
B 000*00000*00000*00000*00000*00000*00000*
A 00*00*00*00*00*0*000*00*00*00*00*00*00*
O-source

Notice how the `*`s always travel 1 time unit for 1 distance
unit. In other words the graph shows that over time
the `*`s travel distance at a constant speed.
If you can understand this far and its so simple to understand
the graph above, then youll also notice that the farther away
from source each succesive observor is seeing the passing `light`
at a slower frequency !! In other words the farther from
source one is the slower the observed freqeuncy even though
the universe isnt expanding and the speed of the light as denoted
by `X`s is constant !!
The graph also has another feature. A-E can denote redshift
because the light between A-B halves in frequency which is essentially
doubling the wavelength. Ive worked out that one can have the
following..
A..z=0.375
B..z=0.75
C..z=1.5
D..z=3
E..z=6
Ive read z=~ 12-15 billion light years. In that case my graph shows
that if z=6 is 12-15 billion light years I can
predict the following..
E...z=6 =~12.5 billion light years
D...z=3 =~9-10
C...z=1.5 =~6-7.5
B...z=0.75 =~3-5
A...z=0.375 =~1-2.5
Id like to find out how this matches current understanding
of distance/redshift but I bet it fits.
Ill try sending you and George a small flash .swf file which shows a
computor simulation of a constant speed from a decreasing observed
frequency with distance in a non expanding model.
If you cant open .swf then have a .mov quicktime file I can send but
its about 400k

Sean
www.gammarayburst.com

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