Re: Ceres - The Fifth Planet From The Sun


"Joseph Lazio" <jlazio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:ypzac5mxesw.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"SL" == Saul Levy <saullevy1@xxxxxxx> writes:

What a bunch of crap. Soon we'll have a dozen and more new
'planets' added to the solar system, all because the Americans are
too egotistical not to let Pluto drop off the list, as the only one
discovered by one of their own.

Fucking Americans, I hate them.

SL> The IAU is INTERNATIONAL, you foolish twerp! The US does NOT
SL> control it.

Indeed, as I understand the situation, U.S. astronomers are relatively
*underrepresented* in the IAU.

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The IAU is worse than international, it a French Corporation. No self resepecting American Astronomer would join :-)
They obliously have poor writing skills and pooer logic.

Recently a claim was made that another "extra solar planet was discovered orbiting Pollux", based on an aledged wobble of Polux, bring the total claims of these bodies to 2000 or so.

I submit that the elitist card carrying members of the French IAU who
claim to have discovered these 200 extra solar "planets" have actually so
far discovered exactly zero extra-solar planets.
I also submit that the closest know planets to Pollux are Neptune or Pluto,
depending on the time and/or the French IAU's planet definition for this
week.

Why?

Because

1. The French IAU has proclaime ditself to be the Supreme and only governing body
of the Universe vested with the power to determine what is and is not a
planet of planetary systems.

2. The French IAU has decreed from on high that there
are only 8 planets in the Universe (see Resolution 5A note 1 below).

3. None of these alleged extra-solar star wobble causing
masses are claimed to be orbiting the Sun (see Resolution 5A(1)(a), plus
note 1 below).

4. There has been no claim or data put forth that these
alleged extra-solar star wobble causing masses have sufficient mass for
their self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that they assume a
hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, partly or wholly because the
IAU has no definition of what is "sufficient mass" (see Resolution 5A(1)(b)
below.

5. No peer review data, nor even "bragging rights" news
releases have been forthcoming showing that these alleged extra-solar star
wobble causing masses have cleared the neighbourhood around their orbits,
mostly because they have no data, and partly because the IAU has provided no
definition of the words "cleared", nor "neighbourhood", as used in
Resolution 5A(1)(c).

6. The claimed masses of these alleged extra-solar star
wobble causing masses is based on an unproved assumption that the
gravitational constant is the same at their locations as it is on Earth.
Einstein made no such claim.




Further, I submit that these 200 extra-solar "planets" are not even dwarf
planets

Because
1. The French IAU is the Supreme and only governing body
of the Universe vested with the power to determine what is and is not a
dwarf planet of planetary systems.

2. None of these alleged extra-solar star wobble causing
masses are claimed to be orbiting the Sun (see Resolution 5A(2)(a)).

3. There has been no claim or data put forth that these
alleged extra-solar star wobble causing masses have sufficient mass for
their self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that they assume a
hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, partly or wholly because the
IAU has no definition of what is "sufficient mass" (see Resolution 5A(2)(b)
below.

4. No peer review data, nor even "bragging rights" news
releases have been forthcoming showing that these alleged extra-solar star
wobble causing masses have not cleared the neighbourhood around their
orbits, mostly because they have no data, and partly because the IAU has
provided no definition of the words "cleared", nor "neighbourhood", as used
in Resolution 5A(2)(c).

5. The claimed masses of these alleged extra-solar star
wobble causing masses is based on an unproved assumption that the
gravitational constant is the same at their locations as it is on Earth.
Einstein made no such claim.

6. The IAU has yet to provide a process for determining
if borderline objects are either dwarf planets or "other" objects (see
Resolution 5A note 2 below).




Further, I submit that theses alleged extra-solar star wobble causing
masses are in fact Small Solar-System Bodies (sub category TNOs or "other
small bodies), by the process of elimination and Resolution 5A Section (3)
and note 3, as proclaimed by the Universally Esteemed IAU.

If I have erred in my logic, please let me know where!



This discourse has caused me to ponder

How many Frenchmen can't be wrong (Groucho Marx)?

A. 50 million

B. None


Why does the IAU spell neighborhood neighbourhood?

A. They're French

B. They have diminished language skills

C. They can't come to grips with the fact that English is the Universal
language


Which is the most rigorous educational regimen?

A. Astronomy PhD

B. Education PhD

C. Antarctic Anthropology PhD

D. 11th grade Calculus



Are all Astronomers Law School drop-outs, as evidenced by the logic and
writing skills exhibited by Resolution 5A?


Wayne


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IAU Resolution: Definition of a Planet in the Solar System
Contemporary observations are changing our understanding of planetary
systems, and it is important that our nomenclature for objects reflect our
current understanding. This applies, in particular, to the designation
"planets". The word "planet" originally described "wanderers" that were
known only as moving lights in the sky. Recent discoveries lead us to create
a new definition, which we can make using currently available scientific
information.

RESOLUTION 5A
The IAU therefore resolves that "planets" and other bodies in our Solar
System, except satellites, be defined into three distinct categories in the
following way:

(1) A "planet"1 is a celestial body that (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b)
has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so
that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (c) has
cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit.

(2) A "dwarf planet" is a celestial body that (a) is in orbit around the
Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body
forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape2 ,
(c) has not cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit, and (d) is not a
satellite.

(3) All other objects3 except satellites orbiting the Sun shall be referred
to collectively as "Small Solar-System Bodies".

1The eight "planets" are: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn,
Uranus, and Neptune.
2An IAU process will be established to assign borderline objects into either
dwarf planet and other categories.
3These currently include most of the Solar System asteroids, most
Trans-Neptunian Objects (TNOs), comets, and other small bodies.
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"A new planet with nearly three times the mass of Jupiter has been
detected orbiting the bright star, Pollux, one of the Gemini twins.

While the 200 extra-solar planets discovered so far have been around
fairly inconspicuous stars, Pollux is the 16th brightest star in the
sky and can be easily seen from all places on Earth.

The discovery of planets orbiting stars other than the Sun continues at
the rate of nearly one a week. The planet discovered around Pollux has
the mass of 2.9 Jupiters and orbits the star in 590 days.

The discovery was made independently by two teams of astronomers using
the so-called Doppler method, a method of detecting the tiny wobble in
the motion of the parent star caused by the planet.

The Doppler method is the most successful planet detection method but
because larger planets cause a bigger wobble, the method tends to find
large planets in orbits relatively close to their stars. These systems
may not be typical.

Doppler observations need to be carried out on many stars over a period
of years with a large telescope. The technology needed to measure such
small stellar motions was only developed 15 years ago."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=325&objectid=10399882

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