Re: UFO spotted over TEXAS Sci.Astro Still in Denial?

On Jan 21, 8:46 am, vtc...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jan 21, 6:16 am, Ian Parker <ianpark...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On 20 Jan, 23:59, Trevor <zon...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ian Parker wrote:
On 17 Jan, 23:00, Trevor <zon...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
vtc...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
What was it astronomers? Please don't tell me swamp gas or the
official explanation  "a reflection". That's getting really old.......
so is the fact that not one of you star gazers has the balls or
ovaries to come forward. There are approx. 200 UFO sighting per month.
Am I to believe that not one astronomer in  this collective group has
seen one with all  your powerful gear and telescopes...........
right?   Does the government have you all in their pocket, or are you
just in denial????
RT
What? I consider myself an astronomer, and I definitely think that the
government is keeping UFOs a secret, or at least trying to keep them
from the population. I'm not bent on saying that there is some alien
race that's been traversing the planet but there is sure something
somebody doesn't want us to know about going on.

Trevor

Aliens are impossible. We know this from the fact that real aliens
would conduct themselves in a very different way from what is
reported. Real aliens would first target the Web where they could get
all the information they wanted anyway. They would probable use
nanotechnology rather than go around in large spaceships anyway.

Speaking personally I would regard the existence of ET extremly
unlikely and the existence of a UFO ET as completely impossible.

Yes the military are doing things they don't want us to know about. It
is some military project or other. I think too that the military are
behaving in a incredibly reprehensive way. What they are doing is
denying UFOs whilst at the same time encouraging the freaks. This is
so that they can smear anyone they want.

I find the military mind completely detestable. I post in
sci.space.policy. Rand Simberg never argues with anyone rationally but
preferrs to smear. He has even called me a paedophile without the
slightest provocation.

They did of course run Abu Ghraib as well. I also think that there is
a conspiracy. I believe that negative results are often important in
science and I feel that it is important to discuss ET. Earth is rare,
we need to have some idea why.

  - Iann Parker

Saying aliens are impossible is a very bold and broad and also flawed
declaration. Even if no aliens have been to Earth that doesn't mean they
don't exist. Alien, in the broad sense, doesn't have to be an
intelligent species. For all we know it could be some bacteria in a
distant star system. That would be alien, would it not?

I am not claiming aliens are impossible. I am simply saying that if
they ixist they weould not be conducting themselves in a UFO manner.

There is one other argument which I think could be looked at and it is
this. If we observe the stars we do not find any evidence for
artificial structures. Dyson proposed the Dyson civilization. This
would imply an infra red star. Infra red stars do indeed exist, but
they are supergiants. They are not Dysons with a solid surface.

You also assume that an intelligent species would know what "the web"
is. They would have to determine it from another source or analyzing
stray wireless signals from Earth. I would figure that they would find
another collection of information first and start there and expand
outward. Assuming that they even care we exist.

Of course they would know the Web. You don't imagibne their
civilization would not have gone through the same stages of technology
as ours. You seem to believe that it is possible to evolve some
technology which is completely incomprehensible to us without knowing
about things like the Web. Really this does not wash.

  - Ian Parker

Ian,
You need to make up your mind. First you say:  "Aliens are
impossible....."  and now you say " I am not claiming aliens are
impossible. I am simply saying that if
they exist they would not be conducting themselves in a UFO manner".
You are definitely confused.  Forget about whether aliens exit or not,
that' s a given.  Ever study the Drake equation? Also, to assume that
an alien race would mimmic our developmental progression is a huge
assumption, but even if they did, think for a moment...... A highly
advanced ET civilization picks up our early radio or TV signals or
comes arcross one of our probes or directed signals.  They know where
we are.  Are you telling me their focus is going to be on the Web? If
they were as you say, developing in stages similar to us, they would
do exactly what our early explorers did.  Get on a ship and
investigate.

This thread is avoiding the question ........ what is this Delta craft
seen flying here and abroad for decades. see (www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc/1571.htm)
Remember, Roswell was not a saucer. First eye witness reports said it
was delta shaped.  I am still convinced that one of your own has
captured one during their research and is afraid to come forward.
Why do you think I still pester this site?

The cover up continues
RT

TYPO get rid of the / after doc should be (www.ufoevidence.org/
documents/doc1571.htm)
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