Re: No Grace Period for Metabolism Either

From: TomHendricks474 (tomhendricks474_at_cs.com)
Date: 10/27/04

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    >Lets see where we do agree on, ok?
    >
    >- somewhere in the past selfreplication started.

    No NO No - you might as well say somewhere in the past a full blown eagle came
    out of a cloud.
    There is no reason for a replicator to start in your world.
    There is just no reason why that would help it better adapt and be more stable
    to its environement.
    You can't force things on molecules that have no advantage to anything (except
    in the future)

    >(Origin unknown to us: You expect that the sun/heat cycle leads to
    >selfreplication.

    No its the other way around. Chemicals are not here to get to you or me or
    life.
    They reacted to what went befre - there was no mission to get to life!

    >Tom: Those molecules that live another day.
    >Erwin: Those molecules that make more copies of themself than are lost.

    No no no - there is no advantage to their environment in replicating or turning
    purple or tasting like chocolate - and you refuse to give me some reason why
    that would in any way give an advantage to the father nucleotide or cell or
    whatever.

    >If these early molecules had any 'purpose', it would be something that has
    >
    >to do with surviving.
    >I want to use that word with care, because H2O is appearantly very
    >succesfull in 'surviving', while it is just representing the lowest
    >energystate for H and O atoms.
    >
    >Two thing are important to surviving:
    >- Dont get destroyed yourself. (Toms' emphasizes this)

    >- Copying oneself and survive in that way. (If you make more copies than
    >are
    >destroyed, you'll survive.)

    No no no - you can't make up stuff that gives an advantage a million years down
    the line.
    You can't use crystal balls to give me advantages.
    YOU want replication the molecules don't want anything.

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