Re: Felsenstein and reproductive excess

Guy Hoelzer wrote:
> Walter ReMine wrote:
>> Here is the fundamental principle: Whenever a
>> scenario claims an allele increases in number
>> of copies (by reproductive means), then
>> reproductive excess is required. Absolutely.
>> Positively. No exceptions. Felsenstein is wrong.
>> ....
>> His confusion centers on the question of whether a
>> given cellular organism lives forever. If you answer
>> yes (which is implausible), then all the reproduction
>> qualifies as reproductive excess, since the organism
>> does not die, and therefore does not need to be replaced.
>
> My argument does not rely on this distinction at all and,
> as ReMine suggests, this perspective does indeed result
> in equating "reproduction" with "reproductive excess" as
> I have been arguing.

He just contradicted himself.

>> However, if you answer no, (in other words, if the
>> organism dies), then not all the reproduction is
>> reproductive excess.
>
> This seems utterly inconsistent with your definition
> of reproductive excess, ...

Then our disagreement is over the definition of reproductive excess.

> ... cellular division always results in an increased
> frequency of the reproduced alleles.

That is mistaken. Suppose a single celled organism reproduces and dies.
There is no increase in number of copies of any alleles.

>> I did not use the word "excessive", rather I used
>> the accepted term "reproductive excess".
>
> Word games? If ReMine wants to assert that producing an
> excess is not being excessive, then it seems a waste of
> time to try to carry on a meaningful discussion with him.

Then perhaps he an I cannot carry on a meaningful discussion.

-- Walter ReMine
Haldane's Dilemma
http://www1.minn.net/~science/Haldane.htm


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