Re: Felsenstein and reproductive excess



Walter ReMine <science@xxxxxxxx> wrote or quoted:

> You have it backwards. Evolutionists claimed they solved Haldane's
> Dilemma decades ago. Yet under my prodding, evolutionists here at sbe
> now acknowledge their cost literature is profoundly confused -- no one
> here has disputed that. How can Haldane's Dilemma be "solved" when its
> central concept (the cost of substitution) remains profoundly confused?
> Evolutionists are faced with a contradiction.

AFAICS, the idea goes something like:

* The number of mutations that reached fixation in the period in
question is not as great as was once though;

* The limits on even the speed of "primitive" evoultion - i.e. evolution
ignoring complications where brains can influence genes - such as
genetic engineering, sexual selection and the Baldwin effect - are not
as low as Haldane suggested;

* Therefore there's nothing to have much of a dilemma over here.

This argument doesn't depend strongly on the details of any cost
metric - or their units - *provided* the costs are not so astronomically
high that there's no way they could have been afforded - and there's
no sign of that being the case.

The lack of dependency of the details of any particular cost metric
is a good thing - since its rather easy to invent a dozen
different cost metrics, and not have any particularly good case
for one being somehow the best.
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