Re: Fundamental theorems, dilemmas, fitness, and information.


"Perplexed in Peoria" <jimmenegay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "g" <gillawton@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> >Species ADAPT, though they do so by placing ADAPTATIONS into
>> the individual organisms.
>>
>> This statement is totally distortive to me. I can see no way that a
>> specie
>> does anything to an individual.
>
> A "SPECIES"!!!!. The singular of "species" is "species". "Specie" is a
> technical term in economics dealing with money and precious metals.

THANK YOU ! Now you know just how blatant can be the gaps in my
knowledge. That is informative and therefore helpful, rather than snide or
opportunisticly demeaning. That is the kind of correction an adversary
withholds and a friend proffers.

> As to whether a species does something to individuals, that was a metaphor
> to which you are welcome to object. My point is simply that the species
> changes, though no individual necessarily changes. But the individuals
> constituting the species late in time contain adaptations, whereas the
> individuals constituting the species earlier in time did not contain those
> adaptations. From what source did those individuals-late-in-time get
> their adaptations?
>
>> It may be a useful metaphor, if there is
>> no clearer one possible for describing the dynamic. In my own string I
>> am trying to do precisely that. If you read that I would welcome your
>> input based on the YN filter concept.
>
> I respectfully decline your invitation. I see no reason why I should
> struggle to put the standard ideas into your nonstandard language.
>
> [snip]
>> ... I see people arguing over issues that may not
>> be real issues at all but are SEMANTICALLY. [snip]
>
> Semantic. Yes, you have a correct diagnosis, but IMHO, you have exactly
> the wrong prescription for the cure. Rather than trying to reform
> everyone else's language by inventing your own, why not simply "make do",
> by using the standard language and inserting good-natured clarifications
> as needed.

Please do not infer that I would wish to reinvent the wheel. Hopefully the
new approach I will begin (only the plan for) today will not come off as
being
hostile where it is not intended to be hostile.
>
> In my childhood, I sometimes amused myself by inventing my own artificial
> (but well engineered, I thought) languages. But I could never convince
> anyone else to use them. I suspect that you are destined for a similar
> fate.
>
My brother Bob and I were more fortunate, we found that other people could
understand pig Latin, and gradually developed ways to communicate, both
verbally and non-verbally. Not twins. But our goal was encryption and
secrecy, and not communication with outsiders.

Esoterica can be used similarly, and to enable derision of others by
initiates.
I have seen some professors who will humiliate a student who is expressing
nothing more than enthusiasm and originality. Exploiting the slightest
splittable hair. I also have known, and loved, a few professors who made
learning fun and extolled originality, even as they offered correction and
explanation.

MOST new ideas end up failing, just as I suspect most mutations do. But
the surest way to suck all the fun out of learning and all the progress out
of any venture, is for an egotistical esoteric ass-hole to humiliate someone
who is not of his in-group for trying to come up with one.

(Present company not so accused. You are the helping kind, as evidenced
by revealing my ignorance about specie and species without being snide or
demeaning about it.)

I had a college level vocabulary by seventh grade, but NEVER was a good
speller, and ALWAYS had gaps so blatant as to be hilarious and still do
but, thanks to you, diminished by one, this morning.

g





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