Re: Haldane's Dilemma - clarifications - and Felsenstein [LONG]

Malcolm wrote:
"Walter ReMine" <science@xxxxxxxx> wrote
Haldane made numerous wildly unrealistic assumptions
IN FAVOR of evolution. That makes it powerful --
as an anti-evolutionary problem. Your simulation goes
beyond that, to make even more wildly unrealistic
assumptions EVEN MORE IN FAVOR of evolution.

It is a model system. Model systems don't make assumptions,
they have rules. We then see how the system behaves, with
the rules we give it. After that, we can argue about whether
the model actually applies to anything in the real world.
Of course it is entirely legitimate to say that you don't like
the particular rules the model has. That is the main point
of this exercise.

You're playing word games. Assumptions = Model Rules. Model Rules =
Assumptions. If you're going to play silly word games, then our
conversation will be over shortly.

The problem has nothing to do with me, or whether I "don't like" the
model rules. Rather, the problem is that your model is wildly
realistic IN FAVOR of evolution -- therefore it does not solve
Haldane's Dilemma.

A suitable simulation would start by recreating Haldane's model. (His
model is still current with evolutionary genetics textbooks.) Then see
what substitution rate it produces. Start there. And verify Haldane's
result. Then recall that even Haldane's model is wildly unrealistic in
favor of evolution.

-- Walter ReMine
The Biotic Message
http://SaintPaulScience.com


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