Re: Why Humans are Conscious



claudiusdenk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Feb 6, 10:51 am, Guy A Hoelzer <hoel...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
claudiusd...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 2/4/07 12:19 PM:
On Feb 3, 12:00 am, dkomo <dkomo...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Tim Tyler wrote:
claudiusd...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Sure. To some degree. But human consciousness is orders of
magnitude
higher than that of any other species, most notably our closest
relatives, chimps.
You have access to a consciousnessometer?
Are you sure it's calibrated right?
Humans seem to be extremely similar to chimps in this
respect - as far as I can see.
Really? Can chimps work calculus problems too? And Sudoku puzzles?
[moderator's note: How would we know? -HAG]
How is it not obvious?

If you raised a human with the exact same environment
and set of experiences as a chimp, do you think we
could observe their ability to do calculus or Sudoku?

Irrelevant.

I think the answer to the question above is not so obvious.

The question that matters is what would happen if a chimps
was raised in a human family.

Most likely the chimp would get screwed up - much like
any individual ripped from its natural parents and
adopted by members of a different species would be.

Note that ability at calculus and Sudoku doesn't seem to
have much to do with what it says on:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=consciousness
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