Re: Evolutionist withholds evidence on Haldane's Dilemma

DK wrote:
Strictly speaking, my journals are
not mine, they are university's
property.

That's correct! And the creation of those journals was supported at
tax-payer expense. And the issue at hand -- namely evolution -- has a
government-granted monopoly on public schools. Under the
circumstances, Prof. Nunney would have to release his materials even
if Charlie Manson asked for it.

The issue never was me, my purposes, or my credentials. The issue is
that Prof. Nunney is obligated to release his evidence. Period.

And it's just more gravy that a release also makes good scientific
practice.

For example:

Vend wrote:
I definitely agree. Writing programs from
first assumptions requires time and is
usually difficult to get the same results,
especially if numerical and stochastic
computations are involved. In fact, even
excluding bugs, there are many things that
can cause problems that alter the results:
numerical algorithms have an accuracy that
is typically dependent on the actual data
(the paper might say "invert matrix A",
but there are many algorithms to do and
one that has good accuracy on one class
of matrices may give bad results on another
class of matrices). Stochastical algorithms
are always a source of bias: poor pseudo-
random number generators (there are many
still around), incorrect pseudo-random
number generator initialization, bias in
sampling algorithms, etc.

I think that everyone publishing some
result obtained using a custom computer
program should also publish the source code.

Tim Tyler wrote:
[Recreating the software] is a big waste
of everyone's time. Then you need a third
review paper to decide which researcher
is right. It is far better for everyone
concerned if researchers simply publish
their source code in the first place -
preferably with as liberal license as
possible. Then if there's a problem,
observers can simply say: look, a bug
on line 96. Publishing existing programs
on the net is usually inexpensive, so
there is not really any good excuse for
not doing it.

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Tim Tyler wrote:
Forcing others to recreate your program
hinders fellow researchers and the
prospective audience alike.

That's correct!

[However Note: I suspect that "hindering" anti-evolutionists may have
been precisely what Prof. Nunney had in mind. I'm sure he is a fine
person in other respects, though he has shown contempt for anti-
evolutionists.

And I suspect he already senses, deep down inside, that his simulation
does not solve Haldane's Dilemma. In other words, he has two likely
motives to hide his software.]

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DK wrote:
I hope Walter does not claim that
Nunney flat out fabricated his results...

I doubt Prof. Nunney fabricated his results out of whole cloth.
(Though his lack of open-ness is not an encouraging sign.)

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Bob wrote:
Nunney is withholding key evidence.

That would only be true if you were
claiming that the results he presented
in the paper were wrong, as a result
of an error in his programme. Are
you claiming that?

Nunney likely made his program as free of software 'bugs' as humanly
possible. I have more important reasons to inspect his software.

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Lorentz wrote:
I apologize for my expressions of prejudice.
and ...
You seem to be looking for dirt, even aside
from the science involved.

Isn't that just another naked expression of prejudice?

Lorentz wrote:
You were never open about what you thought
was in it [Nunney's simulation program].

I openly said what is NOT in Nunney's simulation -- a solution to
Haldane's Dilemma. I need the simulation software, in order to
document, in exquisite detail, that a solution is NOT there.

-- Walter ReMine
http://tinyurl.com/3dtzjq
http://SaintPaulScience.com/Haldane.htm


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