Re: Logic Gives But One Choice On OOL. Can any find another?

On Mar 6, 3:18 am, Tom Hendricks <tom-hendri...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:22 pm, Guy A Hoelzer <hoel...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

'"Sparked" by chaotic chemical dynamics'? That sounds like a fluke to
me.
Fluke and chaos have nothing to do with each other. Turbulent
fluids follow chaotic dynamics, but the "evolution" of a turbulent
fluid is almost independent of initial conditions. As long a energy is
pumped into a turbulent fluid, it continues in the same state
regardless of the exact microscopic state of the fluid. I suspect that
is what you call "stable."

Note: turbulence needs a spark. That right, even if the Reynolds
number exceeds the critical Reynolds number, some "seed" vortex is
necessary to start the process going. The vortex gets amplified, but
the phase is lost. A turbulent system is not "cyclic" in the usual
sense (try periodic). The seed in your language would be a "fluke."

I think the words that you are confusing are episodic and
chaotic. Just because a system is chaotic doesn't mean that it is
episodic. The some of the parameters of a chaotic system can be
determined. Some of the details chaotic system is highly sensitive to
small perturbations. In fact, living things currently are full of
chaotic systems.

Chaotic systems are rather robust against periodic disturbances.
Periodic disturbances tend to destroy order, ironically. Complex
systems are often destroyed by chance resonances with periodic
disturbances. Our hearts do not beat periodically, at best they beat
quasiperiodically. Our heart beat is chaotic. If our hearts beat in a
truly periodic fashion, you could blow up your heart just by running
at the right slow cadence.

When you say that the sun cycle is in every cell of our bodies, is
it possible that you are thinking of some type of chaos? I really
don't see the 23'54'' diurnal cycle as being common in our cells. I
see fractals all over the place, however. That implies chaotic
dynamics.

And again, why UV? What is so magical about UV radiation? Life
most probably started in the sea, although even this isn't known for
sure. UV can't penetrate far below the surface. Liquid water strongly
absorbs UV. Are you implying that UV started near the surface of the
ocean?


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