Re: Biological basis of Food In Waste out , Four Options


"Tom Hendricks" <tom-hendricks@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Sep 11, 11:28=A0am, Entertained by my own EIMC
<fell_spamtrap...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Tom Hendricks wrote:
I've often talked about how life has evolved on four specific paths
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t can be called food in / waste out. Two paths or options to food in. Two
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aths or options to waste out.

The four options are
1 Nurturing* taken in.
2 Non nurturing (waste) blocked out.
3 Nurturing held in
4 Non nurturing (waste) excreted out.

As far as I can imagine what you mean, you made a mistake by including
"(waste)" in the line describing option #2.

Otherwise I can hardly complain about how deeply you have descriptively
boiled down the logic of life.

My similar but 'more EPT' (my tepid teasing that is actually true as far
as what EPT stands for) philosophical investment of emotional energy
produced thinking that amongst else became an attempt to identify the
minimal set of survival strategies available to single celled animals -
which resulted in something almost as "boiled-down".
That is, what I concluded was that "the four F's" [feeding, fleeing,
and (though not relevant to/not on repertoire of amoebas) fighting and
'fathering' (of daughter-cells), could with some confidence be extended
to include foraging and *freezing* (similar to the adaptive function of
both hibernation - whether general or specific/synaptic, though only
'general hibernation' is possible in the case of single-celled animals).

Thanks for your thoughts.

Thanks for the opportunity to comment.

My four options seem to have developed
from the food in waste out processes. Does your four F's have a bio
basis?

Yes, obviously and inevitably.

Most if not all, seem to fit in my four options.

That most of them do should not be surprising.
(By "should" I don't mean to insinuate that I believe you were surprised -
even for a second.)

Even the kind of self-entertaining fun that I had finding extra F's is an
'entirely psychobiologically tied-in' type of homeostasis maintaining - and
to both evolutionary and physiological survival related -function.
To me it is fairly clear (fuzzsilly logically so) how this (my percEPTive)
kind of fun falls into the category of behaviors/preoccupations/actentions
(or, IOW, is elastically rationally and maximally non-naively covered by)
the enlightenment promoting term "AEVASIVE".

Moreover, it is similarly clear to me that my self-amuzing analysis of
people's psychology and behavior exemplifies (and reflects) the extensive
'evolutionary psychophysiological type' principle that is contained within
the massive meaning of AEVASIVE.

[As usual, 'uppercasing' of consequtive word-starting or word-spelling
instances of the letters e p and t, in parallel with other kinds of
sem_antics (most typically S_EPT_IC humored such) is how I both
multifariously characterize my insights and how I have formulated them AND
how I and seek to insinuate and underscore that it can be apt (or far from
inept) to design a seriously intended, science-aligned, and basically
rational message so that it has a silly surface in order to sooth or
safe-guard whose who sees it whilst stopping some of the constituent
concepts of the formulation from being as off-putting as may otherwise be.

Such a strategy is especially called for when one's aim is to map aspect of
What Is going on that can only be precisely spotted and persistently
attented to through a series of "lenses" (of refractory type zoomable
telescope) - or grasped with a set of conceptual tools - that include
"CURSES" (a concEPT that is approximately otherwise and more commonly known
as "engrams", "Pain" or "primal pain", or "traumatic memories", or merely
euphemistically implied by the catch-phrase/concept "PTSD") and "SHI-type"
predicaments or, to cut it very short, "SHITS" - a concEPT that whichever
way it is written is a more 'distinKt' ;> means of referring to what the
conventional used word "trauma" sloppily and quite inadequately signifies).

By SHI-type predicaments (or alternative: ditto situations, ditto stressors,
or ditto sources of sensory stimulation - almost a deluge of possible ways
to derive SHITS :)) I with unprecedented acronymic precision refer to *any*
physically inescapable adverse challenge (of individuals during their
lifetime) that normally will - given that the individual is alive and
sufficiently intact - cause a corresponding CURSES to be conditioned-in (or
'put' by/via LTP type neuronal plasticity) into a thus situated individual's
nervous (alt. "actention selection serving") system.]

Fighting would be option 2 blocking out

Fleeing would be option 4 waste out or separating from waste.
(these two also represent fight and flight the stress response.
though women react to stress with what is termed tend and befriend.
These four stress reactions, each fit one of the four options).

Feeding would be both option 1 take in nurturing, and 3 hold in
nurturing
while processing waste would be option 4.

Fathering is more tricky, though I think replication would be mostly
option 4
where the daughter cell separates from the father cell.

Foreplay and Fornication (or any of the most directly procreation-promoting
categories of behavior) are of course relevant only to species of fauna that
are more *highly evolved* (~=individual organisms that are organized in a
functionally - or functurally - more complex way) than amoebic animals.

In any case they are fun F's to consider and include. :-)


Foraging would be option 1 moving toward food nurturing.

So would 'Floundering' or just 'Farting-around', since digestion is
typically 'naturally forthcoming' given that we (and amoebas) are full
enough. :-)

Freezing would be sleeping which I tend to think is option 3 and 4.

I think not only sleeping fits into a gap between option 3 and option 4.

[I do not just because I in my theoretical and terminological thinking am
trying hard to be "tolerance principled".]

I can, for partly the same reason, reluctantly accEPT sleeping as a form of
least boisterous behavior. But I am not feeling so EPTly obliged, nor so
afraid of being caught-out in the act of being inEPT, that I would ever
declare sleeping to be a clear-cut part of the "category of
behaviors/preoccupations/actentions" - since only whilst we dream during our
sleep are we in any sense in a preoccupied/actentive (mentally behaving)
state; and, furthermore, all the vital (including the somatic autonomous
nervous) functions operate roughly the same whether we are awake or asleep.


However, the fact that we do get into a 'Fallen-asleep' functional state, is
to me a less important fact (and of course a "less EPT" item of information
:>) than the fact that (and how) we human animals have the capacity to, and
very often do "freeze" not in the sense of a snooze but in the sense of a
far less commonly recognized mode of functioning. That is, we "freeze" in
the sense of adapting to having ended up in a physically inescapable and
otherwise inevitably self-defeatingly stressful Predicament (Or Ordeal).

The survival of such predicaments depends on, or requires "specific
hibernation".

[Or, synonymously, it can be said that such predicaments either "demands" or
"implores" this survival strategy. Those two words, "demand" and "implore",
are in this context equally logically valid metaphors except that "implores"
was EPTly chosen because it offered the best "concEPTual acronym-building"
opportunity - one that resulted in "Specific Hibernation
*Imploring*...(etc)".]

Here, "specific hibernation" (as specific as involving a few - or even a
single - neuron or post-synaptic surface being inhibited and metabolically
and functionally suppressed by some opioid) is to be contrasted with -
whilst being reasonably seen as physiologically related to - seasonally
triggered instinctive examples of "general hibernation".

The word "hibernation" in a (EPT) sense that can be taken to include
aestivation. It can be taken thus because aestivation is a likewise
metabolism muting and minimizing, behavior aborting, *and consciousness
canceling* survival strategy.

All that I meant (in my as usual maximally objective EPT way - at least I
try %}), by "consciousness canceling", was/is that the essentially necessary
physioanatomical component of "consciousnessT" [a word that is here not only
meant in an EPT way and understood by me partly by help of a Tolerance
Principled attitude but the fact that it is is flagged by a 'T-tag' :>].

Specifically, when the firing/metabolic activity of "Reticular Activating
Type" neurons in the spinal chord and brainstem is caused to become almost
completely constrained, so does all or most of the anatomical levels or
modular layers of "actention selection serving" neurons (that provide the
different modules/modes and specific visceromotor, emotional, and cognitive
qualities and "contents" of consciousnessT).

I suppose that since consciousness (in the above sense) can come _back_ "on
line" from sleep, from hibernation (or aestivation), or from artificial
chemical sedation (or anaesthetics), or come online _for the first time_ in
a lifetime during the course of development, when the brains three gross
anatomical "layers" (or "levels") of neurons (and associated functures) are
becoming sufficiently energized via the axons and excitatory
transmittors/modulators (that are a component) of the reticular activating
system, this may well be what has motivated Janov to coin and use the
concept of 1st-line 2nd-line and 3rd-line awareness/consciousness.

Note that
Option 1 and 2 are social and involve things outside the cell
membrane.
Option 3 and 4 are self and involve mostly things inside the cell
membrane.
These four are not set in stone and often a major bio process will
involve more
than one. But I think it is a start to further describing the results
of natural selection
and specific ways it develops in all organism.

Thoughts?

I don't feel comfortable with thinking about "natural selection" as
'something that develops'. I prefer to reserve the word "develop" for the
growth of individual organisms after conception until mostly (but not only)
fully mature adulthood; And also for referring to how different technologies
or other aspects of culture have come to be.

To me "natural selection" is a metaphor for all the ways, or
interactivities, whereby minimally biological patterns (that can be
seen/thought to have emerged by prebiological evolutionary patterning
tendencies - most basically cosmological and even multiversal 'energy
patterning tendencies'.

Lastly, something apropos that you wrote "These four are not set in
stone...":

If one allow oneself to thing of the theories people build, schematic
depictions, and all metaphors, as if they were "crowbars", and that one
would like to budge heavy stones far enough to reveal what lies beneath
them, then one has better make sure that the crowbar is of a quality that
does not easily bend under pressure. If no heavy stones are meant to be
budged who cares if the crowbar is as soft as a candle. :-)

Cheers,
P


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