Where is Everyone?

"Tom Hendricks" <tom-hendricks@xxxxxxx> wrote

Newman, Sagan, and Shklovski [2,5] recall that a legend of science says that
Enrico Fermi asked the question, "Where are they?" during a visit to Los
Alamos during the Second World War or shortly thereafter. Fermi's question
has been mentioned in several other recent publications, but historical
basis for the attribution has not been established. Thanks to the excellent
memory of Hans Mark, who had heard a retelling at Los Alamos in the early
1950s, we now know that Fermi did make the remark during a lunchtime
conversation about 1950. His companions were Emil Konopinski, Edward Teller,
and Herbert York. All three have provided accounts of the incident. ...

JE:-
Hi Tom,

If highly advanced civilizations exist then they would simply avoid us
for two reasons that I can think of:-

1) We have not even attempted to formulate an OBJECTIVE set of ethics
based on Darwinian fertile organism fitness mutualism. We wrongly
conceive nature to be "red in tooth and claw", i.e. to provide a Van
Valen "Red Queen" morality based on altruism verses selfishness and live
out our social lives accordingly. Until we can provide an objective
ethic based on nature we pose a real danger to advanced civilizations so
they give us a wide birth.

The pioneering work of Watson and Moss researched grouse and their
intimate relationship with the nutrient quality of the heather growing
on grouse territories in Scotland. This pioneering work was done in the
1960's and 1970's under Prof. Wynne-Edwards of "group selection" fame.
These researchers discovered that aggression levels in male grouse, who
must compete for territories before the females sexually select them and
their territories, increases with decreasing micro nutrient content of
the heather. Grouse eat heather tips and require a minimal sized
territory relative to the amount and quality of the heather to be able
to raise their offspring to fertile adulthood. If the males get
territory formation right using a correct level of male aggression
providing just the right sized territories relative to the state of
their heather resource, then not only will the heather be maintained via
grouse droppings recycling nutrients, not too big territories reducing
the number of grouse breeding only providing a waste of the heather
resource and not too small grouse territories resulting in less grouse
young being raised to fertile adulthood is avoided. Watson and Moss
discovered that grouse aggression can be increased by artificially
increasing male grouse testosterone levels resulting in a total decrease
in the number of grouse raised because territories became larger. IOW,
the balance of nature is a Darwinian fitness mutualizing process such
that Total Darwinian Fitness (TDF) defined as the total number of
strictly fertile forms of both predator AND PREY is mutually selected
for in a mono-centric way, i.e. adult fertile forms are alone selected
FOR via their TDF as the only Darwinian FALSIFIABLE fitness MAXIMAND
found in NATURE

2) I propose that the ethic of mutualization, which we CAN learn from
nature, requires adult individuals to get on with their evolution
unhindered via more advanced civilizations. IOW, our history of taking
over more primitive tribal people via war and the spreading of disease
remains morally abhorrent to other civilizations.

Enrico Fermi was instrumental in placing the most destructive force on
this planet (nuclear fusion) into the morally immature hands of tribal
man who was attempting but failing to adapt himself to super tribal
life. More advanced civilizations who have successfully made this
transition are with us but cannot do this for us. Our place in the
universe depends on us successfully making this transition 100% removing
war as our most gross mal-adaptation.

Regards,

John Edser
Independent researcher

edser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx






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