Re: Evolution of Anger and Fear

On Jun 29, 11:46=A0am, "Alan Meyer" <amey...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Tom Hendricks" <tom-hendri...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message

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How do emotions evolve? I suggest that two of the main ones
evolved directly from two of the 4 options that are set up when
you have a cell membrane. Those are ANGER and FEAR

Four options are set up once a cell membrane is created:
1. Take in nurturing
2. block out non nurturing
3. hold in and use nurturing
4. excrete out waste.

Note how the stress response of fight and flight fits option 2 and opti=
on
4.
Fight =3D Option 2 block out non nurturing
Flight =3D Option 4 excrete out waste.

I suggest that ANGER is a specific evolved emotional response
connected to option 2.
I suggest that FEAR is a specific evolved emotional response
connected to option 4.

For the first time we can see how these basic emotional
responses evolved from physical processes that go back to the
beginning of life. Thus once life began, it started a food
in/waste out system that would most likely evolve to the
emotions of ANGER and FEAR

There should be basic emotional development for the other two
options as well.

Comment on the evolution of ANGER and FEAR?

Tom Hendricks

Tom,

Both anger and fear are properties of animals with fairly
advanced nervous systems. =A0It's hard to see how any other kinds
of organisms can be thought of as having emotions, or how
individual cells can be thought of as having anything like
emotions. =A0It would be an extraordinary stretch, I think, to
speak of fear or anger in trees, mushrooms, or bacteria.

Yes of course. But emotions have evolved like any other aspect of
living things.
And in those species that have advanced nervous systems with emotions,
I suggest
these specific emotions evolved from these specific lines of physical
processes.


Even in a metaphorical sense, I'd be inclined against your
analogies. =A0I don't see "fear" as being like excretion. =A0It's
more like avoidance. =A0It's not about eliminating something from
inside but about getting away from something that's already
outside. =A0Anger seems to me more about aggression against
something than about blocking out something. =A0I'm having trouble
seeing any metaphorical analogy to cell membrane reactions.

We are saying the same thing. When you are 'getting away from
something"
you are excreting it out. You are separating from it - it's virtually
the same thing.

Anger is indeed agression against something - something that is in
every case
not nurturing. It is an emotion of protection. You take in nurturing
in option one
and block it out in option 2. anger is an evolved way to help block
out what
endangers.


=A0 =A0Alan


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