Re: Evolution of Anger and Fear

You talk about the cell as if it is an island to itself. Mutlicellular
organisms, the ones with emotions, have cell to cell chemical
communication. If emotions were to evolve from the cellular level, I
think it would be more accurate to look at the chemical response to
1-4.

"Four options are set up once a cell membrane is created:
1. Take in nurturing
2. block out non nurturing
3. hold in and use nurturing
4. excrete out waste."

no lets look at the four options and the emotional reaction of the
cell next door!

Four options cell neighbors:
1. Take in nurturing, 'hey, why didn't i get some of that!"
2. block out non nurturing "i see, you just leave the crums for me!"
3. hold in and use nurturing "oh, now your going to hold out on me!"
4. excrete out waste. "don't dump on me!"

:-)
At any rate, I think chemical response to simulation would be a better
breakdown of evolution of emotions than a simple cell wall barrier.
This is similiar to what you are saying, I'm would just replace
"nutrient" with any another type of molecule that would cause the cell
to react. Also, other factors, such as pH outside of the cell, can
cause a reaction without entering the cell!

Cilia in epithelial cells moves objects away from the cell. Of course
mucus does a better job of capturing containants.

Just my two cents

Lana








On Jul 5, 12:36=A0am, Tom Hendricks <tom-hendri...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 2, 5:15=3DA0pm, Lana <drache1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Jul 1, 6:05=3D3DA0pm, Tom Hendricks <tom-hendri...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 29, 11:46=3D3D3DA0am, Lana <inann...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Are you suggesting that anger comes from lack of food?

Not at all. =3D3DA0It's too much bad coming in. Not a lack of good.

Anger is the reaction to being forced. It is the emotion of
protecting the organism from any threat outside of it.

The positive aspect of any organism is to take in what nurtures
and block out what doesn't nurture or endangers - the block out is #2=
...

=3D3DA0Are there no

other "needs" which might provoke an anger response? Such as the ne=
ed
to reproduce, and the lack of that resource. =3D3D3DA0I also think =
ther=3D
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other important 'emotions' that could come from a lack of nutrients=
...
our cousins and ancesters were group animals. Feelings of "love" or
'need for approval" may have evolved for a need of food, for exampl=
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getting nutrients from the help of others.

Fear may come from the fear of being alone and having to forage alo=
ne=3D
,
and/or being defenseless. An individual is less likely to be attack=
ed
in a group.

I suggest that fear is at its base, the fear of not having enough
nurturing, food etc.
So it evolved from lack of nurturing.

Now remember ALL functions of all living things evolved out of these
four options.
We must take them literally when they began, but then see that they
evolve to everything that is part of living things.

So fear is at first an emotion evolved from lack of nurturing within,
then
evolved to other projected fears.

I'm having trouble with your idea of Anger only coming from these four
cellular functions. You could look at the waving cilia of a cell and
suggesting this is how we evovled "waving" to friends. That would be
projecting our complex emotions on to the cell.

Lana

First a clarification. Anger came specifically from #2 option - move
against.
And it is a highly evolved aspect of a living thing. We don't expect
one cells
to talk - so of course they wouldn't be able to have an anger tantrum
either.
But the ability to get mad evolved from something, and it didn't come
down from the air.

Now back to the four options - find me a single action or reaction of
any living thing that isn't one of the four

From the outside

1. take in
2. don't take in

From the inside

3. hold in
4. excrete out.

You mention the waving cilia.
When that had evolved the cell had
a way to move towards food, and maybe move away from danger (too high
heat for example).

These 2 are clearly, move toward, #1, move away, #4

At this stage there was no anger or fear. But there is
something in these cells that direct them =A0toward food =A0and maybe awa=
y
from some dangers.
That was about as evolved as we would expect at this stage in
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