Re: Converting Magnesium Sulphate to Magnesium Chloride?


"Peter Fairbrother" <zenadsl6186@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Madalch wrote:
A very interesting post, comments interleaved.

No, chlorite has been investigated for treating several diseases, going
back a long time.

that is ignored by the allopathic medical system that
is dominated by big pharmaceutical companies,

No, they have investigated it quite a bit in the past, and they aren't
ignoring it now, but don't expect much - it's all been done before.

This is not coming from the pharmaceutical companies, in fact if you read
the story of it there is evidence that as usual their attitude is to
suppress it.
If you are interested browse through this book.

http://www.miraclems.com/dwnldmms1.html

because it is non patentable

No, in the EU it could be patented under a "Swiss Claim" which is,
roughly, a patent for using something which is in itself not patentable in
a remedy (I am simplifying the Swiss Claim patent position a bit, but it
doesn't affect the result. It doesn't have anything to do with the Swiss,
the idea just started there).

A recent example of a Swiss Claim patent being granted is the use of
methylene blue, which has been available in tablet form for 50+ years, for
the treatment of Alzheimer's.

US law is slightly different, and it would be straightforward to patent a
new use there.

Further, the mixing with citric acid to form a medicine would be
straightforwardly patentable in either jurisdiction.

If what you say is true, I think it is a very unfortunate and immoral
situation that the concept of patentability should be extended so far. The
idea of patenting has expanded to the point where it is being used to deny
the benefits of knowledge to much of the world, while at the same time
distorting the direction of intellectual endeavour away from pure research
towards specific commercial ends. Thus acting not as a stimulus, but as a
brake on the pursuit of knowledge, for the benefit of the few, at the
expense of the many. Without using the word in any religious sense I
consider such an extension of patentability to be pure evil. It wouldn't
surprise me that it occurred in the EU, which is a fundamentally
antidemocratic structure which has only a superficial veneer of democracy.
If you disagree research the relative powers of the unelected European
Council and the highly restrictive rules of debate in the European
Parliament. The power structure of the EU represents the global elite, not
the peoples of Europe, who labour under the illusion of really
representative democracy, whereas the reality id vastly different.

and it can cure almost any viral or bacterial disease.

No. While chlorite it may have some use in some acute life-threatening
cases, it's far too dangerous and damaging for everyday use, and often
ineffective - put simply, for most bacterial and almost all viral
pathogens the dose required to kill the pathogen is greater than the dose
required to kill the patient.

Please read the book or at least brows it, and then comment. It may be that
the dosage recommended, a few drops of a 37% solution mixed with a weak acid
citric, acetic, possibly as lemon juice or vinegar, then left to react for
three minutes and then mixed with a fruit juice, is much lower than what you
have in mind.



By the way, both sodium chlorite and methylene blue have been investigated
in the treatment of malaria - but this doesn't prevent them being patented
for other uses. Neither was very effective, though there are some new
results which suggest chlorite may be more effective than previously
thought - however these results are disputed, and seem unlikely on the
face of things.

Methylene blue however is a reasonably effective anti-malarial. But using
chlorite as an anti-malarial, where a dose is taken every day, would be
lethal - it would cause too much damage.


I am having an ethical problem continuing this - are you suffering from a
lethal disease, or are you just a hypochondriac?

'Cos if you are suffering from something which is going to kill you soon,
it can be worthwhile taking a therapy which will kill you later - but if I
suggest a last-chance therapy a hypochondriac might take it, to his
detriment.

I am neither suffering from an incurable disease, nor am I a hypochondriac.
I came across the Sodium Chlorite treatment by chance, while researching the
properties and uses of magnesium chloride as a dietary supplement, and found
it very interesting. There appears to be quite a sound basis to it based on
the proponents experiences in Africa and South America. Please have a look
at the above link and comment.
Also the stuff is already being sold on the internet widely, (as MMS -
Miracle Mineral Supplement) and if it was half as dangerous as you make
out, we would have had an epidemic of sudden deaths from chlorine dioxide
poisoning. There hasn't been, but lots of testimonials that it is effective.
Even if it is not so effective as claimed, the situation of already
widespread use does not fit with it being as dangerous as you claim. Maybe
dose critical?
The fact that I have not gone off and bought it off the internet, might
convince you that I am neither a hypochondriac nor particularly gullible. I
am researching it further, and you seem to have made the most intelligent
comments so far, and thus I invite you to see what I have read and further
comment.

I am interested in how to make sodium chlorite from other sodium and
chlorine compounds if there is a simple method, as the industrial process is
unsuitable for adaptation to small scale production with simple equipment.
( I know I can buy it as a lab reagent, or possibly as a water treatment
agent.)

I can't see why you would have an ethical problem continuing, are you a
medical doctor?

Also the original heading of this thread was "Converting Magnesium Sulphate
to Magnesium Chloride", and clearly now it has drifted onto another subject,
so I propose to also repost this reply under a new heading "Sodium
Chlorite - MMS - Broad Spectrum Viral treatment??" and hopefully invite some
further intelligent contributions.

Thank you for your response and I look forward to your further comments.

Regards,
Pissant from OZ, (Orthodox Iconoclast)
Gullible idiot and candidate for the "Darwin Award", according to several
of the learned colleagues here. Perhaps they are of the type that insisted
that the earth was flat, and that Copernicus was a heretic in the middle
ages. So sure in their little bit of knowledge, their minds are made up, and
they refuse to be confused with facts!)


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