Re: Cold fusion is back!

On Mar 30, 12:58 am, schu...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In article <49200f68-6e3e-4ad5-b1ec-0d52b8994...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
: On Mar 29, 11:45?am, schu...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Richard Schultz) wrote:
:> In article <be1f2b09-e29d-47f7-88ad-3330b9df7...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:> : I see that he has no problem in regarding the results of Szpak et al
:> : as "so-called" "positive results" and that their work is "much more
:> : reasonably explained as a combination of wishful thinking and
:> : incompetence". ? Incompetence!!??

:> Have you actually read either the paper in question or my discussion
:> thereof?  Of course you haven't.  Do you have any experience making
:> spectroscopic measurements on sensitive equipment?  Of course you haven't.
:> Which of us is in a better position to judge the quality of Szpak's work?
:> Not you.

Note that, as usual, CJ failed to answer any of these questions.  CJ is
more than usually fond of claiming that results that agree with his
prejudices *must* be true, and less than usually fond of countering
arguments -- or even *reading* the arguments -- that indicate that the
data that he loves are in fact of low quality.

:> : Here RS references a "quote" (NO LINK given) ?that the Naval
:> : Researchers have claimed the be the FIRST group to have detected
:> : energetic neutrons in a low energy nuclear reaction ?and then states

:> From the article found athttp://tinyurl.com/dfao5j
:>
:> >> "Our finding is very significant," says study co-author and analytical
:> >> chemist Pamela Mosier-Boss, Ph.D., of the U.S. Navy's Space and Naval
:> >> Warfare Systems Center (SPAWAR) in San Diego, Calif. "To our knowledge,
:> >> this is the first scientific report of the production of highly energetic
:> >> neutrons from an LENR device."

:> : that "Apparently, they never read Pons". ? I need to know NO chemistry
:> : at all to find this assertion HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

:> Then how do *you* explain their claim?

: "They" are the ones that need to do some explaining.

You are the one who found my assertion HIGHLY UNLIKELY -- to the extent
that you hadn't even bothered to read the original press reports of the
latest claims from the Naval Research Lab, preferring to imply that I was
making the quote up.  Now that you cannot pretend that Mosier-Boss did
not make the claim that they were the first ones to detect energetic
neutrons from an LENR device, you are doing the usual backpedalling.  Do
you at least agree that their claim seems to contradict the original claims
of the P&F paper?

: As I've mentioned in the past, I still can't believe that somebody who
: is supposed to be a scientist would get in front of a professional
: body and make a claim like that without some serious evidence.  

As I've demonstrated in the past, you don't know the first thing about
science or scientists.  The evidence doesn't have to be serious -- they
only have to be deluded about its quality.  I have been to scientific
seminars given by people of far greater reputation in which they made
claims, based on far better evidence than that provided by the NRL team,
where the claims were later found to be incorrect.  Heck, I've been to
seminars in which the speaker's claims were disproven during the course
of the seminar.

: I take it you found the "neutron tracks" captured in the plastic
: unconvincing?

Based on their prior track record, I would find their description of
how they found their tuchises with two hands and a map unconvincing.

I'm intrigued Schultz, because you ignore the fact that the peer
review committee of an internationally respected scientific journal
found their paper acceptable for publication and that OTHER scientists
have found their conclusions regarding the possibility of LENR, based
on their observations and data, to be quite acceptable.

At least some of their "prior track record" appears well documented in
the over 100 page report whose link I gave and is clearly indicative
of gradual research and progress towards their current discovery -
exactly what one would expect from a focused and persistent research
effort.

I make note of your somewhat severe opinion of them, but ascribe no
particular credence to it, lacking additional evidence, confirmation
by other scientists or the awarding of a Nobel prize to them which
might cast some doubt, eventually, on your strongly held views of
them.

Oh yes, one last minor point.....
"As I've demonstrated in the past, you don't know the first thing
about
science or scientists."

Please do not foist your delusions of "demonstration" as anything
other than your opinion.

Thanks
Citizen Jimserac



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