Re: death of the mind.

From: dan michaels (feedbackdroids_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 07/16/04 

Date: 15 Jul 2004 20:54:20 -0700

erayo@bilkent.edu.tr (Eray Ozkural exa) wrote in message news:<fa69ae35.0407151331.64b9357e@posting.google.com>...
> feedbackdroids@yahoo.com (dan michaels) wrote in message news:<8d8494cf.0407121009.43f30a03@posting.google.com>...
> > Best that you had not used the word indoctrination here in the first
> > place. That shows a somewhat callous perspective towards education.
> > Like you, life has dealt me a few blows - eg, auto transmission went
> > out this past week, on and on - but like Socrates, I choose not to be
> > entrapped by raw materialism.
> >
> > And of course, to the enlightened teacher, as opposed to the
> > egotistical self-same teacher, transcension is the entire point of
> > education. Only a very poor teacher would say ... "... now students,
> > I'm going to tell you the truth, and you must never waver from the
> > path, or else you will become as idiots ...". Now, that IS
> > indoctrination.
> >
> > Always better to talk about education in terms of opening students'
> > minds, in order that they may learn to think for themselves, rather
> > than closing them, by passing the gas of "absolute anything".
> > =================
> >
>
> The lyrics of a new song I'm working on open with:
>
> Indoctrinated, words clouding the truth...
>
> The heart of the indoctrinated can be cold as stone. It's a dark
> world, my friend. And believe me, 99% of the people are indoctrinated
> so that they never get past the 1.5th level of consciousness. Like our
> lovely behaviorist word drones.
>
> Cheers,

Actually, I was thinking about this after listening to the extreme
opinions of JH and #1. It's probably a fact that the british education
systems are more like what they have mentioned, as compared to the
american system. This would explain a lot - regards someone having
grown up in one, and flunked out of same.

If you've ever heard the song "The Wall" by Pink Floyd - it was indeed
written about the brit eddykational system for a reason. All in all
you're just another brick in the wall. I always the loved the part
about why ya can't have any puddin! "Wrong, Do it again!" "Wrong, Do
it again!"

http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/another-brick-2-wall.html

Another Brick in the Wall Part 2 (Waters) 3:56
---------
We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

"Wrong, Do it again!"
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you
have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat
"You! Yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!"

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