Re: ANN: ai-philosophy group

From: Roy Jose Lorr (mosestorah_at_worldnet.att.net)
Date: 08/10/04 

Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:23:51 GMT

"Brandon J. Van Every" wrote:

> Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
> > "Brandon J. Van Every" wrote:
> >
> >> Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
> >>> Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
> >>>> [...]>
> >>>>> If conscience is such 'good "evolutionary" business' why is it
> >>>>> restricted to humans?
> >>>>
> >>>> Without a definition of "conscience", your claim is meaningless.
> >>>
> >>> Conscience: moral booboo detector.
> >>
> >> Now you must define 'moral' and 'booboo'. We'll accept 'detector'
> >> at face value.
> >
> > moral: opposite of immoral.
>
> Unacceptable. You've merely given an example of the Latin prefix 'im-'.
> Please give an actual definition of 'moral'.

I presume you own a dictionary?

>
>
> > booboo: a guilt inducing mistake.
>
> Define 'guilt'. We'll take 'mistake' at face value.

guilt: anxiety or regret over a booboo.

>
>
> You could skip a few more iterations of this post, and avoid everyone losing
> interest,

Keeping the interest of others is irrelevant to my being.

> if you make a concentrated effort to cough up some really good
> definitions. Or else just admit you don't have 'em, and that these are just
> handwaving labels.

We have to re-invent concepts in order to talk consistently
with each other. Just repeating a dictionary definition isn't
a conceptually relevant act, if you didn't write the dictionary
yourself. If you've actually tried to write one, you've noticed
that it's hard to treat words like little gems.

Unless of course, we are machines... oops, there
goes "evolution theory"...

If you wish to keep your cake, you must not eat it.

> In that case, I will offer "behavioral conditioning" as
> a subsitute for the "moral, conscience, and guilt" labels.

Fine, you're a machine. Not to worry, there are people
who think even less of themselves. 

--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

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