Re: Some brain questions i need help with
From: Lester Zick (lesterDELzick_at_worldnet.att.net)
Date: 09/26/04
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 16:25:28 GMT
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:32:16 +1000, "John Hasenkam" <johnh@faraway.>
in comp.ai.philosophy wrote:
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>"Lester Zick" <lesterDELzick@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>> On 23 Sep 2004 14:09:07 -0700, feedbackdroids@yahoo.com (dan michaels)
>> in comp.ai.philosophy wrote:
>>
>> >lesterDELzick@worldnet.att.net (Lester Zick) wrote in message
>news:<4152d9db.38059444@netnews.att.net>...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> You're just sleeping very shallowly. I did something similar with a
>> >> diet caffeinated soft drink in the evening a week or so ago. The
>> >> interesting thing is I felt certain that vivid dreams would result
>> >> because something similar had happened several years ago from coffee
>> >> in the evening.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Most people dream 4-5 times per night, but don't realize it, because
>> >the dream content doesn't get transferred over into LTM, the same way
>> >waking experiences do. However, if you awake from a dream and
>> >immediately try to replay it in your mind, then you can later recall
>> >those parts of it which you were able to replay. IE, simply reviewing
>> >them before they fade will help get parts of the dream experiences
>> >stored where they can be later recalled. Sometimes you will only be
>> >able to replay tiny bits, but other times you wil be able to replay
>> >entire sequences. And the great thing is, it's all done internally.
>> >==============
>> >
>> >> >What is going through the "I" inside the dream is not remarkable,
>simply a
>> >> >reflection of my current personal situation. I am usually on the move,
>> >> >trying to get somewhere but being presented with various barriers.
>This
>> >> >relates to my current personal situation which in flux and the need
>for me
>> >> >to address a number of longstanding health problems that are making
>study
>> >> >and work very difficult. The digging up of all those people may relate
>to
>> >> >the fact that I am very much tucked away and staying away from the
>world,
>> >> >not keeping up with friends and the like. Must be time to get out and
>about
>> >> >again.
>> >>
>> >> My personal opinion is that the subject of dreams is only topically
>> >> reflective but the juxtaposition of subjects can be significant.
>> >>
>> >> Regards - Lester
>> >
>> >
>> >The subject of dreams is for psychologists to worry about, and their
>> >meaning may be indecipherable. OTOH, the mechanism of dreaming is for
>> >neuroscience to decipher. And much more interesting too, I think.
>>
>> I'm inclined to agree with you here, Dan, in broad, general terms. But
>> I would like to add a few considerations that may run counter to what
>> you say in a collateral reply to John H.
>>
>> Nightmares are easier to analyze mechanically because they originate
>> in some discomfort experienced during sleep and dreaming. The source
>> of the problem is not clear, but the fact of discomfort is manifest
>> and causes the sleeper to try to discover it through a kind of self
>> prompting.
>
>Are you suggesting Dan is sleeping on the edge of a cliff in a tropical
>climate?
It's interesting you mention heat, John H. At one time I considered it
the only cause for nightmares because it seemed to be so for me. (For
example, I could invariably cure a nightmare by throwing off a
blanket.) But I subsequently found others whose nightmares had other
sources, including one who considered himself possibly insane on the
basis of the nightmare.Yet they turned out to have concrete discomfort
sources. All anecdotal, of course.
>> Let's say one experiences some discomfort during sleep. The subject
>> then tries to explain the source of discomfort through leading
>> suppositions, the kind of things which might cause one discomfort, to
>> discover whether that is the source.
>>
>> I've actually experienced the verbal cueing involved in my own dreams
>> during periods of very shallow sleep. I was bascially just talking my
>> way through the process of discovery looking for the discomfort.
>
>I think you have a point there Lester. The one terrifying dream I had so
>long ago was a warning that I was making some very bad decisions in my life.
>Quite independently of any interpretation of the dream, I completely changed
>my life some months later but only after making these changes did I come to
>appreciate the message of this dream.
>
>Forget about Freud, forget about any paradigm for understanding dreams. As
>Jung noted, a series of dreams contains its own referents. Yes it is
>unpopular to engage in dream interpretation and most of it is baloney but
>when continual themes recur it is worth thinking about. For example, most of
>my current dreams are set in rural regions and the reason for this is that
>is where I am hoping to settle over the coming months. The dream of a few
>nights ago was a dream precisely about setting up home in the desired
>locale.
Yeah, John H. I would agree there is no or at best a very limited
paradigm for understanding dream content. However, let me point out
that I am not especially interested in psychiatry. I am interested in
mental effects in terms of mechanical causation, but what little I
think I know about dreams is an anecdotal product of my own
experiences and a handful of conversations I've had with others.
Having said which I think there are very circumscribed generalities
that can be applied, but as I've already indicated primarily to bad
dreams and nightmares. Preoccupation seems to be a possible key as far
as subject content is concerned. I think I know how and why dreams
come about, but that doesn't really explain content or associations.
Regards - Lester
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