The Irrational Objection To EAB
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Date: 09/30/04
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:37:23 GMT
David Longley wrote:
>>>>> You could give it a shot but if you behave like an idiot I'll tell
>>>>> you you're behaving like an idiot. You must deal with that as you
>>>>> will. I don't think it's always, if ever, advisable to try to grasp
>>>>> these matters in ones "own words".
>>>> [David Longley]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How else are you going to verify that a person understands the
>>>> material? You never really know unless they can restate it in their
>>>> words. For example, to this date i still don't know if you have
>>>> understood pottes <http://pottes.notlong.com> ... why? ... because
>>>> you have *never* paraphrased it in your own words. Until you do,
>>>> and i confirm that your paraphrase is indeed pottes, then there is
>>>> a lack of communication. Here is another example: I can paste here
>>>> Lester's famous statement "differences between differences result in
>>>> organic sentience" but i could *not* tell you in my own words what
>>>> it means. And another example: systems of knowledge are networks
>>>> that only meet reality on their extremities - many different
>>>> networks can (and do) meet the same extreme realities - there is no
>>>> rational way to judge which is the best. Now where did i get that?
>>>>
>>>> patty
>>>
>>> I know where you got it from, and it shows, by the way you use it
>>> that you don't understand it.
>>> Why does research only meet reality at the edge of the web?
>>
>>
>> ... because that is where the measuring instruments are.
>>
>>> What does that entail?
>>
>>
>> ... measurement.
>>
>>> It's because you write things like that that I don't take Patty's
>>> objection to the extensional stance seriously. It isn't an objection
>>> as far as I am concerned, just a misunderstanding.
>>
>>
>> Hmmm ... the genetic fallacy ...
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy> ...
>> rears its ugly head, yet again.
>>
>> patty
>
>
> No, I'm not just abusing you.
Yeah sure, black is white too. Fact is that you met the criteria for
the genetic fallacy exactly.
> Science is a pretty specialised occupation
> these days. Researchers spend an awful lot of time just getting up the
> edge so they can see where the problems are, i.e. to see what needs
> testing to push the boundaries and test the integrity of the web. In
> some areas that's reasonably clear.
I absolutely agree.
> In others (like cognitive "science")
> I have doubts that it makes sense to even talk about a web never mind
> the edges. The methodology and the ontology is all suspect and I've said
> how, where and why.
Not really ... sure you have repeated you message, but when challenged
to point out *specific* problems in *specific* cog sci papers you always
change the subject.
> I've also provided lots of pointers which I think
> suffice to enable all but the most perverse readers of this newsgroup to
> see that there *is* a science of behaviour, that it is worth finding out
> about,
David, message has been received :)
> but that there is also an irrational objection to it.
Well that is perhaps something that we need to talk more about. But you
won't talk about it - what you will do is play guessing games about it -
as if the real words sourer in your mouth and you just can't bring
yourself to say them out loud. In any case i acknowledge that there is
an "irrational" objection to it. What we need to find out is just how
irrational it is. But to "fight" this objection, you first need to
"understand" it - woops, there is that pesky concept again.
Should we call this TIOTEAB ? It's totally available.
patty
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